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Re: Playing 1.e4 AND 1.d4
Reply #4 - 05/19/06 at 16:10:42
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What do you have against 1. c4, Frendo?
  
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Re: Playing 1.e4 AND 1.d4
Reply #3 - 05/19/06 at 15:50:48
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I would advise picking either 1.e4 or 1.d4 (or 1.c4,1.Nf3, or maybe 1.g3) and learning it while using the rest of your chess study time to improve your middlegame and endgame.  What I would actually do myself is try and learn 1.a3,1.b3,1.b4,1.c3,1.Nc3,1.b4,1.d3,1.d4,1.e3,1.e4,1.f4,1.Nf3,1.g3 and in my spare time examine 1.g4.  But you see, that's why I'm not very good.
  
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Re: Playing 1.e4 AND 1.d4
Reply #2 - 05/18/06 at 16:17:53
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It is useful to specialise in a small number of openings so as to better grasp their intrinsic subtleties.  Also, "taking a stance", in other words, developping strong opinions as to the merits of this or that line, helps one's determination and fighting spirit.  In terms of OTB results, this approach usually pays better than wheeling out a huge array of disparate lines. But it also stands to reason that playing and studying different types of positions can only enhance one's understanding of the game.
For those who are more concerned about penetrating the secrets of chess, rather than winning games through immediate familiarity with their openings, I can recommend basing one's repertoire around 1. d4/2. c4, while gradually answering 1. ...e6 , 1. ...d6 , 1. ...c6 , 1. ...g6 with 2. e4. Once all this is accomplished, you can set your mind to facing 1. e4 c5 , preferably with the warrior's choice of 2. Ktf3 and 3. d4. 
My own development was quite anarchic. I started out with a repertoire based on the Q's Gambit+Trompovsky, answering all moves apart from 1. ...d5/1. ...Ktf6/1. ...f5 with the consistent 2. e4. Then, when I gave up the Tromp, I turned to a strict 1. d4/2. c4 diet, having already worked out my lines against 1. ...d5. More recently I developped a reserve 1. e4 repertoire, partly based on what I had played in my Tromp days. So at least I never had to start from scratch, but if I had to do it again I would certainly follow my above advice. And of course, none of this takes into account all the other possible first moves. Chess is a never-ending search... 
  
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Re: Playing 1.e4 AND 1.d4
Reply #1 - 05/18/06 at 15:58:16
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Well, in my opinion it is not worth it unless you are really devoted to chess.. for instance consider the following:

- I am an e4-player which was a choice based on taste, though I sometimes feel uneasy with some openings e.g. the Caro-Kann.
- Learning the whole d4-complex would mean, say 100% of studying.
- (seriously) Learning the Caro-Kann Advance alone would mean only 5-10% of studying.
- Learning an anti-Caro-Kann line, e.g. KIA, would mean 2% of studying.
- Learning a completely off-beat line, e.g. Larsen (1.b3), Sokolsky (1.b4), or even 1.f3 (better choose something that does not transpose a lot Wink), would mean only 1% of studying.
Plus:
- Your opponents will most probably have a pet line against both e4 & d4. E.g. say I play 1.d4 to avoid the Caro-Kann and my opponent replies with the Slav! (a bit familiar isn't it? Huh).
- If you participate in tournaments etc., you will need at least a year to get ready a full repertoire based on 1.d4. On the other hand losing every now and then a game to Caro-Kann looks manageable.
- A good balance of time spend on openings / tactics / strategy-middlegame / endings / practice / other (you choose the correct mix of course) is important to improve and also have fun.

To summarise:
- I don't think your opponents will be put off by you playing 1.d4 (in the example above), hence mostly a waste of time.
- For me not playing 1.d4 involves a dislike for Nimzos, QID and the rest. It is much easier to learn (and learn to love!) the Caro-Kann.
- It is much easier to use these off-beat and anti- lines especially if you choose the right opponent/timing (e.g. blitz games).

P.S.: The only really good reasons I see in playing both 1.e4 & 1.d4 is a) you may learn new types of positions & maybe change/enhance your style, b) if you are a really serious player and tend to know your opponents well, you may be able to prepare something nasty for them (e.g. Fischer-Spassky), or c) you are a chess coach.

regards, chk
  
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Playing 1.e4 AND 1.d4
05/18/06 at 14:09:24
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Opinions please....

I noticed this is the way of current World Champ Topalov - the benefits seem like you are harder to prepare for, but more importantly if your opponent plays a particular system as Black say against 1.e4 that you dont like, then no problem you come from another angle with 1.d4

The drawbacks (especially for us mortals) - thats an awful lot of chess openings to look at!
  
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