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Re: Boden-Kieseritzky Gambit
Reply #8 - 06/13/06 at 13:44:21
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when i say complete rubbish I mean White is struggling to equalise or get enough compo - the defence with Qe7 is solid
  
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Re: Boden-Kieseritzky Gambit
Reply #7 - 06/03/06 at 14:22:11
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Excellent points.  Pavasovic's play looks good for Black.  In the Morphy line, though, looks like 9..Be6 may be the culprit.  Do either 9..Nd7 or 9..f6 improve?
  
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Re: Boden-Kieseritzky Gambit
Reply #6 - 06/02/06 at 20:28:05
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Morphy's 5...c6 6.Nxe5 d5 7.o-o Bd6 is equal, if Black plays 8.Re1. But 8.Bd3! Bxe5 9.Re1 Be6 10.Rxe5 Nd7 11.Rg5!? Klimpel-Bauer, Regensburg 1998, gives White some chances.
5...f6 6.Nh4 g6 7.f4 Qe7 8.f5 Qg7 9.fxg6 hxg6 10.Qg4 Kd8 11.Qg3 (11.Bd3 d5) g5 12.Nf5 Qh7 13.o-o d5! 14.Bxd5 Bxf5 and the complications favour Black, Krjnovsek-Pavasovic, SLO 1993.
4...Nc6 5.o-o Be7 and White may try the gambit move 6.Nd5!? like the Belgrade Gambit: o-o 7.d4 exd4 8.Re1 Nf6 9.Nxe7+ Nxe7 10.Qxd4.
  

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Re: Boden-Kieseritzky Gambit
Reply #5 - 06/02/06 at 19:42:59
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I was curious enough to look this up in a few handy sources (NCO, Small ECO and Yusupov's C42 monograph).  They differ as to whether the B-K should lead to "compensation" (or in some cases equality) or a slight advantage for Black.  Same story with the continuation of the gambit after 4...Nc6 5. 0-0.  Perhaps this is consistent with the view that the gambit should be categorised in between "correct" and "complete rubbish."
  
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Re: Boden-Kieseritzky Gambit
Reply #4 - 06/02/06 at 19:25:37
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I try it on occasion.  After 1.e4 e5  2.Nf3 Nf6  3.Bc4 Nxe4  4.Nc3 Nxc3  5.dxc3 f6  6. Nh4 g6  7. f4 Qe7  8. f5 Qg7  9. fxg6 hxg6  10. Qg4  White has compensation for the pawn.   

I think Black does better with ..c6.  Morphy's 5..c6 6.Nxe5 d5 looks equal to me.  And the more ambitious 7..c6 8. f5 d5 leads to complications in which I think Black can also hold his own.

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Re: Boden-Kieseritzky Gambit
Reply #3 - 06/02/06 at 16:56:44
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Keano wrote on 06/02/06 at 07:46:45:
Its complete rubbish - I say this because I used to play it myself! You´ll get lots of easy wins against very weak players but its basically not a correct gambit.


I'm not so sure about that it's "complete rubbish;" Keres gave it a pretty favorable treatment in the old "bis" series, as I recall.  I don't recall the main line precisely, but I seem to remember it involves a white knight on h4, black pawns on d6,e5, f6 and g6, and White playing f2-f4 and sometimes f4-f5.  Maybe White doesn't have full compensation, but is Black's task so easy?

Relatedly, if Black wants to decline the Boden-Kieseritzky, one way to do it is  1. e4 e5  2. Nf3 Nf6  3. Bf4 Nxe4 4. Nc3 Nc6!  5. 0-0 Be7!?.  Now White is out of gambit moves and he has no choice but to go in for 6. Nxe4 d5.   However I am less certain of the merits of the "fork trick" with 0-0, ...Be7 thrown in.  I do recall that the last, 1918 edition of Bilguer's Handbuch had a treatment of this line.

You know, one of the key tricks you teach chess kids is to play 4...Nxe4 after 1. e4. e5  2. Nf3 Nc6  3. Bc4 Nf6  4. Nc3, which comes up in a million kidchess games.  But you don't usually teach kids about 5. 0-0!?, because it will never be played by an opposing kid.
  

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Re: Boden-Kieseritzky Gambit
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Its complete rubbish - I say this because I used to play it myself! You´ll get lots of easy wins against very weak players but its basically not a correct gambit.
  
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Re: Boden-Kieseritzky Gambit
Reply #1 - 05/25/06 at 01:50:14
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Boden-Kieseritzky Gambit
05/25/06 at 00:38:11
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What do you think about this line against the petroff...
1. e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3. Bc4 Nxe4 4. Nc3...
Please, i need info on this line.

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