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Topalov wins    
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Kramnik wins    
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Draw    
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Match gets cancelled    
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Re: Kramnik-Topalov match
Reply #1099 - 10/13/06 at 03:22:15
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castlerock wrote on 10/13/06 at 02:54:01:
What is the start time?

Same as for previous rounds.

from http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=3421 Quote:
With that the match is tied 6:6 (with the forfeit game) and will be decided in tie-breaks on Friday, October 13, 2006. Like all the previous rounds the games start at 13:00h local Elista time, which translates to 11:00h GMT, 13:00h CEST, 12:00h London, 7 a.m. New York. Here are the exact rules of the tie-breaks:

3.7 Tie-breaks

3.7.1 If the scores are level after the regular twelve (12) games, after a new drawing of colours, four (4) tie-break games shall be played. The games shall be played using the electronic clock starting with 25 minutes on the clock for each player with an addition of 10 seconds after each move.

3.7.2 If the scores are level after the games in paragraph 3. 7.1, then, after a new drawing of colours, two (2) five-minute games shall be played with the addition of 10 seconds after each move.

3.7.3 If the score is still level, the players shall play a single decisive sudden death game. The player, who wins the drawing of lots, may choose the colour. White shall receive 6 minutes, black shall receive 5 minutes, without any addition. In case of a draw the player with the black pieces is declared as winner.
  
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Re: Kramnik-Topalov match
Reply #1098 - 10/13/06 at 02:54:01
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What is the start time?
  
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Re: Kramnik-Topalov match
Reply #1097 - 10/12/06 at 19:08:50
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TopNotch wrote on 10/12/06 at 17:01:43:
By the way was the followinq quote taken from the movie 'The hitchhikers guide to the galaxy'? - "Curiously enough, the only thing that went through the mind of the bowl of petunias as it fell was - "Oh no, not again."

Actually, it was taken from the book (Douglas Adams is brilliantly funny BTW) - although it may also be quoted in the movie.  Well spotted!  Smiley
  
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Re: Kramnik-Topalov match
Reply #1096 - 10/12/06 at 17:01:43
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OstapBender wrote on 10/12/06 at 15:42:43:
MarinFan wrote on 10/12/06 at 14:54:55:
I have my doubts if Kramnik will turn up, just claim moral victory.

Kramnik has already stated that he will play the tiebreak games.

from http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=3416 Quote:
Open Letter
To
FIDE President
H.E. Kirsan Illyumzhinov

To 
Head of the 2006 Executive Committee
Mr. Valery Bovaev

Dear Mr President, Gentlemen,

Having received innumerable published and unpublished inquiries I would like to clarify, in the name of Vladimir Kramnik and his team, our position in the decision taken by FIDE regarding the fifth game of the current World Championship match.

As you know Vladimir Kramnik is playing the current match under protest. Nothing has changed in our attitude, which is documented by Kramnik’s actions around the fifth game and our statements, protests and letters:
29.09.2006: http://www.kramnik.com/eng/news/viewarticle.aspx?id=104
02.10.2006: http://www.kramnik.com/eng/news/viewarticle.aspx?id=106
04.10.2006: http://www.kramnik.com/eng/news/viewarticle.aspx?id=107

Consistent with this standpoint Vladimir Kramnik will be playing this match, including a possible tiebreak, up to the last move under protest.

Should the decision of FIDE regarding the fifth game have any influence on the awarding of the World Championship title, with Mr Topalov receiving the title after being granted a free point for the unplayed game, Mr Kramnik declares unequivocally: “I will not recognize Mr Topalov as World Champion under these conditions, and I will take legal action against FIDE at the end of the World Championship.”

The damage done to Mr Kramnik in public opinion (e.g. the slander campaign) after the illegal release of private video images by the then FIDE Appeals Committee or the WCC 2006 Executive Committee to the Topalov team, and the subsequent release of these video images and private information of Mr Kramnik in his restroom to the mass media, as well as the interruption of the match, which broke Mr Kramnik’s concentration and playing rhythm, will all be part of the legal action which will be initiated.

As a sign of good will Mr Kramnik once again requests FIDE to arrange for game five to be played out on the board immediately after game 12. This in our opinion is the only way to alleviate the personal, sporting, judicial and ethical injuries that have been incurred by Mr Kramnik. 


Elista, October 10, 2006
On behalf of Vladimir Kramnik 
Yours sincerely
Carsten Hensel
(Manager to Vladimir Kramnik, Classical World Chess Champion)


So tie-breaks it is.

By the way was the followinq quote taken from the movie 'The hitchhikers guide to the galaxy'? - "Curiously enough, the only thing that went through the mind of the bowl of petunias as it fell was - "Oh no, not again."

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Re: Kramnik-Topalov match
Reply #1095 - 10/12/06 at 15:42:43
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MarinFan wrote on 10/12/06 at 14:54:55:
I have my doubts if Kramnik will turn up, just claim moral victory.

Kramnik has already stated that he will play the tiebreak games.

from http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=3416 Quote:
Open Letter
To
FIDE President
H.E. Kirsan Illyumzhinov

To 
Head of the 2006 Executive Committee
Mr. Valery Bovaev

Dear Mr President, Gentlemen,

Having received innumerable published and unpublished inquiries I would like to clarify, in the name of Vladimir Kramnik and his team, our position in the decision taken by FIDE regarding the fifth game of the current World Championship match.

As you know Vladimir Kramnik is playing the current match under protest. Nothing has changed in our attitude, which is documented by Kramnik’s actions around the fifth game and our statements, protests and letters:
29.09.2006: http://www.kramnik.com/eng/news/viewarticle.aspx?id=104
02.10.2006: http://www.kramnik.com/eng/news/viewarticle.aspx?id=106
04.10.2006: http://www.kramnik.com/eng/news/viewarticle.aspx?id=107

Consistent with this standpoint Vladimir Kramnik will be playing this match, including a possible tiebreak, up to the last move under protest.

Should the decision of FIDE regarding the fifth game have any influence on the awarding of the World Championship title, with Mr Topalov receiving the title after being granted a free point for the unplayed game, Mr Kramnik declares unequivocally: “I will not recognize Mr Topalov as World Champion under these conditions, and I will take legal action against FIDE at the end of the World Championship.”

The damage done to Mr Kramnik in public opinion (e.g. the slander campaign) after the illegal release of private video images by the then FIDE Appeals Committee or the WCC 2006 Executive Committee to the Topalov team, and the subsequent release of these video images and private information of Mr Kramnik in his restroom to the mass media, as well as the interruption of the match, which broke Mr Kramnik’s concentration and playing rhythm, will all be part of the legal action which will be initiated.

As a sign of good will Mr Kramnik once again requests FIDE to arrange for game five to be played out on the board immediately after game 12. This in our opinion is the only way to alleviate the personal, sporting, judicial and ethical injuries that have been incurred by Mr Kramnik. 


Elista, October 10, 2006
On behalf of Vladimir Kramnik 
Yours sincerely
Carsten Hensel
(Manager to Vladimir Kramnik, Classical World Chess Champion)
  
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Re: Kramnik-Topalov match
Reply #1094 - 10/12/06 at 15:25:38
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Nothing we've seen has suggested they won't play.

What happened by the way after Karpov's court victory over FIDE in 1999? Was he awarded and paid damages, or what?
  
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Re: Kramnik-Topalov match
Reply #1093 - 10/12/06 at 14:58:54
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MarinFan wrote on 10/12/06 at 14:54:55:
I have my doubts if Kramnik will turn up, just claim moral victory.


It all depends if they have got their match fee yet - If so I agree, they will call it today and arrange another money-spinner in 6 months time for the two of them!
  
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Reply #1092 - 10/12/06 at 14:57:22
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Klick wrote on 10/12/06 at 14:55:50:
So we got 6-5 OTB and 0-1 off the board. Great.

Yes.  Kramnik really has to work on his off the board game!  Grin
  
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Reply #1091 - 10/12/06 at 14:55:50
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So we got 6-5 OTB and 0-1 off the board. Great.
  
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Reply #1090 - 10/12/06 at 14:54:55
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I have my doubts if Kramnik will turn up, just claim moral victory.
  
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Reply #1089 - 10/12/06 at 14:54:45
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Very instructive game today, for those that worry about the minority attack Wink
  
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Reply #1088 - 10/12/06 at 14:53:34
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Keano definitely top of the class today.

Well, now we know who's the better player then. Shame we have to have this rapids lark tomorrow.
  
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Re: Kramnik-Topalov match
Reply #1087 - 10/12/06 at 14:53:15
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IMJohnCox wrote on 10/12/06 at 14:49:37:
So 44 Qc2 now, what then? Maybe he's just going to swop queens and play the rook endgame to prove what a man he is?


...Qa1+ in that line John, I think Qb3 or Qc4 were the moves
  
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Reply #1086 - 10/12/06 at 14:52:58
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After 44.Qb3

Draw!
  
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Re: Kramnik-Topalov match
Reply #1085 - 10/12/06 at 14:52:20
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Well, well. A draw it is then.
  
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