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Topalov wins    
  23 (29.1%)
Kramnik wins    
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Draw    
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Match gets cancelled    
  17 (21.5%)
other?...    
  0 (0.0%)




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Reply #1309 - 10/13/06 at 23:56:25
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Kramnik and the slav go way back. The big man himself got slayed in '96. See the attached game.
  

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Reply #1308 - 10/13/06 at 23:13:20
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RE: "maybe Everyman should write a book on the elephant in the corner of the room during this match - the Petroff. Maybe this opening won the match without making a move?!"

I agree.  I honestly think Topalov never played 1.e4 because he didn't feel like banging his head against the Petroff (and thereby waste a white). Its funny that an opening can be rather popular with top players, yet disparaged by people who have no real experience with it; but I already ranted about this before: http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1152780824/0 ;


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PS - I recently emailed both Gambit and Everyman about whether they planned  on producing a book on the Petroff for club level players (i.e. 'Starting Out' or 'Chess Explained').  Both replied that it isn't commerically feasible.   I think this lack of coverage on the club level makes it a pretty good choice for black -- very few amateurs have a well thought out reply.  I think Topalov failed to find an adequate edge in his preparation and thus avoided allowing it -- hence, SlavFest 2006.
  

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Reply #1307 - 10/13/06 at 22:17:30
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Considering everything I for one am immensely satisfied that the deserving player won, and on reflection I wonder if the actions of Topalov's team rebounded on him psychologically, as he seemed to make a lot of unforced blunders in this match.

Kramnik for his part proved mentally much tougher than I gave him credit for. This contest reminded me how enthralling and entertaining WC matches can be and I hope we have not seen the end of this format. 

Lets hope that Topalov and his team eventually realises that in the long run it is better to be a gracious loser than a despised undeserving winner.

Despite it all, all I can say is....

What a match!!

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Reply #1306 - 10/13/06 at 21:49:04
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Inn2, maybe Everyman should write a book on the elephant in the corner of the room during this match - the Petroff. Maybe this opening won the match without making a move?!
  
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Reply #1305 - 10/13/06 at 17:48:42
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While the rather minor problem of a single World Champion has been solved the larger problem of FIDE & Kirsan still looms! I'M quite certain by the time Mexico City rolls around the chess world again will be torn assunder by the missmanagements of FIDE and certain 'self' serving GM's. The crisis for top level chess is far from over.......
  
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Reply #1304 - 10/13/06 at 17:10:43
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Hey! 

Who's looking forward to the great Topalov - Radjabov match now?? Roll Eyes
  

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Reply #1303 - 10/13/06 at 17:08:14
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Had to miss the last rapid game and was expecting a draw when I left - but I see Kramnik won!  It's great that the issue was decided over the board.

Under different circumstances I might have been routing for Topalov at the end, since his opening prep was clearly better and he emerged with a clear early middlegame advantage in most of the games (not taking into account today's games where this was not really the issue).  However, given the actual circumstance I think this was, for me as well as for most people, the only acceptable outcome.

I hope there is some chance there will be a re-match at some point (sadly, I guess this is not part of current FIDE agenda).  I'd like to see how such a match would go with more match experience for Topalov and less off the board controversy (in particular no forfeit points!).
  

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Reply #1302 - 10/13/06 at 16:58:23
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RE: "Kramnik has hardly shown anything. "

Amazing!
Is there nothing Kramnik can do to impress you people??   

He had a 2844 performance in this match.  Earlier this year he had a 2847 performance in the Olympiad (which was the best result of all 1307 players), and he won Dortmund (again!) with 2818.  He beat Kasparov in a match and he just beat Topalov in a match after giving him a free win as Black.  Why can't people accept the fact that he is one of the best players, if not THE best player, in the world.

If you don't like his style of chess, that's fine.  Its not your cup of tea.   
But please stop acting like this guy isn't an amazing player when his results are so fantastic.
He is the undisputed world champion and yet people are still acting like he's 'not that good' or that his games aren't impressive.  I would kill to play chess as well as Kramnik and anyone even remotely close to his level has profound respect for his abilities.   

Its ridiculous that a guy who wins everything is constantly treated with such little respect.
It is just naive.
  

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Reply #1301 - 10/13/06 at 16:52:46
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The person who robbed Shirov of his rights was Kasparov, not Kramnik.

I've never quite understood why Shirov had no contractual remedies about that. I suppose he unwisely signed up with Braingames and it was their obligation to arrange the match rather than Kasparov's to play him come what may by way of sponsorship. And then of course Braingames (do I mean Einstein? whoever) disappeared in a puff of smoke, so there was no-one to sue,

Still, at least Keene and his crowd got paid, so there's something to be thankful for. Except, tragically enough, Levy, or so one gathers.

I'd have more sympathy for Shirov if he whined about it rather less, really. You sign contracts with a crowd like whoever-it-was, you understand you're taking a commercial gamble.
  
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Reply #1300 - 10/13/06 at 16:34:13
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Good that it finished and with a good result. I rooted for Topalov, but Kramnik was better in the end.

Also the salary payers of John Cox, Keano, Castlerock, Klick and various others will be happy that the match is finished. Grin
  

If nothing else works, a total pig-headed unwillingness to look facts in the face will see us through.
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Reply #1299 - 10/13/06 at 16:33:10
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A sad day for chess.
Kramnik has hardly shown anything. One reasonable good game, game 10.
We now have a world champion who never succeeded in qualifying for a
Fide world champion fight, He got his shot by a very generous Kasparov.
Remember he never qualified for that match either (losing from a brilliant Shirov).

The fact remains that Kramnik never qualified for a title match, and had
no qualms to rob Shirov of his rights. So dont talk to me of a worthy
champion off board. As a worthy champion chesswise, show me his
brilliant games in this match.



  
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Reply #1298 - 10/13/06 at 16:25:11
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A fantastic day of chess, and a fantastic day for chess.
Kramnik is a worthy world champion both on and off the board.

Time for Everyman and Gambit to produce more Slav and Semi-Slav books!  Smiley
  
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Reply #1297 - 10/13/06 at 16:20:33
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Actually, talking about the tiebreak, I’d rather blunder a queen or a mate in one than appear in the situation of Leko in 2004. He did not yield to Kramnik two years ago, but Leko is nobody now, and Kramnik is a world champion. Tiebreak is a good thing, and it doesn’t matter for me how it ends. If I lose, it will happen because of my own fault, not because of the regulations.


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Reply #1296 - 10/13/06 at 15:50:52
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Kramnik in my opinion is the best in the world: he would be favourite against any other player in the world in a match, and I think anyone would hesitate to say they had a deeper understanding of chess than he. But whether he has regained the majestic form of the mid-to-late nineties is another matter. I would tend to agree he hasn’t, although these two rapidplay wins were very characteristic. He’s suffering from having no creative work on 1 d4 for such a long period, as well as the illness. It was very noticeable how much more Topalov had by the way of opening ideas, which is usually a hallmark of a champion, and was always Kramnik’s up until 2002 or so.

It will be very interesting to see how he does against Fritz. And indeed how the politics play out – is he really going to put his title on the line in some poxy Linares substitute in Mexico, after such a great match as we’ve just seen. I fear he will – he’s a man of his word and if that’s what he’s signed up to do that’s what he’ll do. Although when the organisers try to sneak Topalov in, as they will, Kramnik may at that point feel released from his obligations…….

I'm so glad he's won. Topalov's fun to watch and all, but he's not quite a world champion yet, and then of course there's the nonsense.
  
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Reply #1295 - 10/13/06 at 15:30:27
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Well I am back and sad to learn my man Topalov lost the last game of rapid. Congrats to Kramnik, I am glad that at least it did not go down to blitz, which would have been a somewhat embarrasing way to decide a World Ch!   

Today was a bit of a lottery in my opinion, and this kind of rapid-play torture is obviously no way to decide a World Ch, but Topalov has only himself to blame - in the Classical time-control I felt he had the initiative in the match throughout, but blunders cost him dearly - and these as I know too well are part of the game also  Wink Chess is a cruel game in that respect, but we all know the territory.

As for Kramnik, my feeling is he has still not recovered his form completely, far from it in fact - his chess looked a bit stale in this match. He was put through the wringer though, so full respect for hanging in (especially at one point down when even his fans (but not me!) had given up on him). At the end of the day chess is a sport, and sometimes it is these sporting aspects such as character and determination (which I also believe Topalov has) are what is important.

We can only look forward now to the future - what now? I hope it is not the end of the traditional World ch matches, maybe a San Luis type tournament to decide the next challenger - I just havent kept up with it.
  
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