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Topalov wins    
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Kramnik wins    
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Draw    
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Match gets cancelled    
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Re: Kramnik-Topalov match
Reply #1324 - 10/14/06 at 15:59:58
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yes i agree, topa should go in mexico tournament, kramnik go out, winner of tournament plays kramnik for wc, but fide has got another set up to make a disaster happen. Trouble is, if kram does go in it, and he doesn't win, won't a lot of people still see him as 'real wc', and won't kram himself probably have this idea. It is just a disaster waiting to happen.
  
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Reply #1323 - 10/14/06 at 15:52:05
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Having the winner of the Mexico tournament play a match against Kramnik for the World Championship would be preferable to the current arrangement where the tournament itself will determine the World Champion.  Take Kramnik out, put Topalov in, and if Topalov wins we would have a Kramnik-Topalov re-match.  This would be great ...

... but it's not going to happen this way.  FIDE has already messed things up.  The only question is whether they will be able to botch things even worse somehow.
  
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Reply #1322 - 10/14/06 at 15:45:52
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Yes, you are right cherry, Topalov is a brilliant player but not the only one on the chess scene and I prefer to see brilliant players who are sportsman outside the board too, like Federer in tennis is a great example and the end of conflicts that were typical of certain chess champions of the past. With Aronian, Carlsen, Ponomariov, Gelfand, Kamsky, Grischuk or Ivanchuk who haven´t participated in San Luis tournament, the Mexico tournament would be much better  a much more stronger tournament and for me the right way is for Kramnik not to participate and wait for the winner to a match after this event, because the mach have a great tradition in chess.
  
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Reply #1321 - 10/14/06 at 15:40:32
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Has Kramnik committed himself to Mexico or said anything about it? Running away with the title would be nonsense. If he doesn't defend his title he will no longer be regarded as WC in my eyes. Simple as that. It would however not be the greatest sensation since the Bigbang if FIDE manages to mess everything up.
  
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Re: Kramnik-Topalov match
Reply #1320 - 10/14/06 at 15:29:41
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Mortal Games wrote on 10/14/06 at 15:21:43:
If Topalov will not participate in Mexico tournament in 2007, after the mind games he and his team had do in this match with Kramnik is even better news! Chess tournament in 2007 will be better and much more stronger than in San Luis.  


i can't see how topa not in this tournament makes it stronger. i know he acted disgracefully, but he is a brilliant player, no doubt about it.
  
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Reply #1319 - 10/14/06 at 15:26:59
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Maybe by contract, kram has to play in this tournament, but if he doesn't, he should tell fide to go get bent lol. With topa not in it, and kram not in it, no one will take seriously .. kram is bigger than fide now, he should fight to get the wc played with a match. He could 'work out' who he should play next year, or the year after. I guess that wouldn't be liked by most chess players, i don't know. I don't think fide is ... popular at the moment, but maybe i got all this wrong.
  
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Reply #1318 - 10/14/06 at 15:21:43
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If Topalov will not participate in Mexico tournament in 2007, after the mind games he and his team had do in this match with Kramnik is even better news! Chess tournament in 2007 will be better and much more stronger than in San Luis.
  
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Reply #1317 - 10/14/06 at 15:20:36
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from http://www.chessmexico.com/index.php?set_language=en&cccpage=tournament_players Quote:
THE FOUR QUALIFIED PLAYERS

The reigning World Champion is the 31 year old Bulgarian, Veselin Topalov, who has dominated the chess scene over the past year and a half. At fourteen, when he won the world title for his age group, Veselin already showed signs of his greatest asset: an indomitable fighting spirit. Two years later he left his home country for Spain where he intended to make a living from chess. He not only accomplished this goal by winning many open tournaments, but soon joined the ranks of the best Grandmasters. 

During his visit to Mexico last March, the World Champion was immediately popular with chess fans thanks to his warm personality and his command of the Spanish language. 

However, Topalov’s place in Mexico's world championship is not certain. He must first defend his title against Russian Vladimir Kramnik in a match that is scheduled to begin on September 21 and concludes October 13, currently underway Elista, the capital of the Russian Republic of Kalmykia. Should Kramnik win, he will take Topalov's spot in the Mexico tournament.

So Topalov has not qualified to participate in the Mexico tournament.  Kramnik will play instead.  According to FIDE, the tournament will determined the World Champion (no match).
  
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Reply #1316 - 10/14/06 at 15:01:54
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Yes, I read it either on chessbase, susanpolgar or chessninja that Topalov would not participate in Mexico next year due to some new FIDE-rule 'not intended for him'.
  
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Reply #1315 - 10/14/06 at 14:56:13
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i thought topa can't go in it now, cause he lost to kram, and i thought they cancelled the matches?
i didn't know the winner was playing a match with kram, really is that true?
  
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Reply #1314 - 10/14/06 at 14:43:14
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Are fide now having the World Championship go back to a touranment, like the one topa won? 


The FIDE tournament will be next september 11 of 2007 and will be in Mexico city
http://www.chessmexico.com
The qualified players are: Topalov, Anand, Svidler and Morozevich after the tournament in San Luis and the candidates will be the winners of this matches:
Levon Aronian (Armenia) vs. Magnus Carlsen (Norway)
Peter Leko (Hungary) vs. Mikhail Gurevich (Turkey)
Ruslan Ponomariov (Ukraine) vs. Sergey Rublevsky (Russia)
Boris Gelfand (Israel) vs. Rustam Kasimdzhanov (Uzbekistan)
Etienne Bacrot (France) vs. Gata Kamsky (USA)
Alexander Grischuk (Russia) vs. Vladimir Malakhov (Russia)
Judit Polgar (Hungary) vs. Evgeny Bareev (Russia)
Alexei Shirov (Spain) vs. Michael Adams (UK)

and after this games and this tournament in Mexico, the winner will face Vladimir Kramnik in a match  Wink 

  
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Re: Kramnik-Topalov match
Reply #1313 - 10/14/06 at 14:29:59
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Besides all the sad things that happened in this match (the way team topa did things, sigh), what a fantastic match it was! It was great to see these 2 great players, with sooo different styles, playing against each other. Isn't this more exciting than a tournament for the World Championship?
Are fide now having the World Championship go back to a touranment, like the one topa won?
If there was a poll with all chess players the world over, on what format the world championship should be played, wouldn't it be a landslide win for matches instead of tournament.
Surely a tournament can't bring such tension, such excitement etc etc as this match did.
Oh well, will Kramnik play in this tournament coming up, i see 2 world champs again coming up. Even if kram plays, of course he could win, but it can easily happen he won't. Then he will maintain, and why not, that he is classical champ, and we will have a fide champ too hehe.
  
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Re: Kramnik-Topalov match
Reply #1312 - 10/14/06 at 10:30:15
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RE: "maybe Everyman should write a book on the elephant in the corner of the room during this match - the Petroff. Maybe this opening won the match without making a move?!"


PS - I recently emailed both Gambit and Everyman about whether they planned  on producing a book on the Petroff for club level players (i.e. 'Starting Out' or 'Chess Explained').  Both replied that it isn't commerically feasible.   I think this lack of coverage on the club level makes it a pretty good choice for black -- very few amateurs have a well thought out reply.  I think Topalov failed to find an adequate edge in his preparation and thus avoided allowing it -- hence, SlavFest 2006.



A few years ago, after the publication of Emms Play the Open Games as Black, I emailed Gambit to suggest that they publish for Black on how to deal with all of those annoying lines where White opens 1 d4 and fails to follow up with 2 c4. His reply was that he did not think a book like that was feasible. 

Interestingly enough, Everyman has now come out with exactly the same book. Dealing with 1. d4 Deviatuions

Sometimes, one pubisher sees value in a book idea that another pubisher might disregard. Gambit and Everyman, though they are the most prolific, are not the only publishers around.

  
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Reply #1311 - 10/14/06 at 01:42:11
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I recently emailed both Gambit and Everyman about whether they planned  on producing a book on the Petroff for club level players (i.e. 'Starting Out' or 'Chess Explained').  Both replied that it isn't commerically feasible.


That is a bit surprising.  I had assumed that Everyman would eventually publish a "Starting Out" book on every major opening.  They did, of course, publish a book on it by Raetsky and Chetverik in 2005. 
  
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Re: Kramnik-Topalov match
Reply #1310 - 10/14/06 at 01:40:55
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IMJohnCox wrote on 10/13/06 at 21:49:04:
Inn2, maybe Everyman should write a book on the elephant in the corner of the room during this match - the Petroff. Maybe this opening won the match without making a move?!


Interesting comment. 
The bigger question is why some openings were *unplayed*.

1. Petroff: Is there any specific line which Topalov did not like in the Petroff? Perhaps 5. Nc3 is not so strong after all!? 
2. Semi-Slav: So Kramnik's 8... Bg6 in the 6. Ne5 Slav turns out to be irrefutable in a short match and White has to go for early e3 lines. But curious why Topalov (and also Kramnik) frequently avoided the main line Meran in favour of side lines (Topalov's 8... Bb7 9. a3, Kramnik's 8. Be2!?, Both sides' 3. Nf3 Nf6 4. e3 Bf5).  I am guessing avoiding the opponent's prep nowadays is as important as critical prep itself.
Maybe Gambit should come up with a book on opening selection against opponents?! The psychologist Amatzvia Avni is a good choice to write it.
  
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