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Topalov wins    
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Kramnik wins    
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Draw    
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Match gets cancelled    
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other?...    
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« Created by: OstapBender on: 05/25/06 at 17:35:43 »
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Re: Kramnik-Topalov match
Reply #1339 - 10/16/06 at 11:33:19
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Yes, that's right. I don't know where Kramnik-Radjabov stands (assuming Topalov-Radjabov is off, as Danailov seems to assume, and indeed assuming also Radjabov's backers are willing to challenge Kramnik also). It's not clear to me Kramnik would accept, although frankly why not? You'd be pretty confident of him beating Radjabov. And I don't know what would happen, either according to the regulations or in practice, if Topalov's gang get their challenge in first.
  
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Reply #1338 - 10/16/06 at 11:09:09
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So was the (presumably now abandoned) Topalov - Radjabov match scheduled under these rules? If so - you´d think Radjabov´s sponsors would now pursue a match with Kramnik, no? 

Kramnik could be a busy man between now and Mexico  Smiley  - on the other hand if he wins the matches he wont be complaining since he will be earning a nice living!
  
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Re: Kramnik-Topalov match
Reply #1337 - 10/16/06 at 10:40:19
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1.5 million euros, I believe, Keano. I too noticed that Danailov says ‘ex-champions’. I had thought it was active 2700 players, but if any old ex-champion can do it, can one rule out Gazza feeling inclined to have a go? I’d have thought one probably could, but you never know….
  
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Re: Kramnik-Topalov match
Reply #1336 - 10/16/06 at 10:16:30
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Very interesting Willempie - so if I understand right a 2700+ player who can find a sponsor to put up the required match fees and payments to FIDE etc (both presumably ludicrously high amounts) can challenge the holder there and then?

This is very interesting, because under these rules we could see a Kasparov comeback - a sponsor would surely be forthcoming!? Or for that matter Bobby Fischer himself may deem to reclaim his title after he plays Karpov  Wink 

It is an interesting system since it generates money for the World Champ and for FIDE, and might also provide a few interesting matches on the way. I´m not so sure about the schedule of having another World Ch tournament every year though - maybe every second year!?

All in all I have mixed feelings since I love the history of the World Ch and the candidates matches etc. On the other hand time moves on and maybe it is time for a change since the last ten years or so the World ch system has been in  complete chaos.
  
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Re: Kramnik-Topalov match
Reply #1335 - 10/16/06 at 06:51:04
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If I am not entirely mistaken the tournament in Mexico will be annually (not necessarily there though) and will decide the WC. Every 2700+ player can then challenge the WC in that year provided he has the funds etc. The winner of that match will then be WC AND take over the spot for next years Wch.

So if for example Anand wins in MExico city and then proceeds to lose a match to Kramnik, he is then out of the next year's WC.
  
If nothing else works, a total pig-headed unwillingness to look facts in the face will see us through.
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Reply #1334 - 10/16/06 at 05:44:33
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http://www.danailov-before-and-after.com/
  
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Re: Kramnik-Topalov match
Reply #1333 - 10/16/06 at 05:35:39
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As per the terms, Kramnik is bound to play in Mexico City and that’s what he will do. Kramnik has been very consistent. If the terms are beneficial to him he might use it regardless of what is morally correct. He’s not a saint. But, he has never gone back on his words, unlike FIDE. Remember the Kasparov rematch controversy? Rematch was excluded in the contract and he used it to his advantage asking Kasparov to qualify. He was technically correct, though Kasparov deserved a rematch. So, I have no doubt that Kramnik will play, as it is.

However, if FIDE tries to create a slot for Topalov, then he is not honour bound to play. Only the winner of Elista has the right to compete in Mexico City. In case, FIDE tries to accommodate Topalov, I would not want him to play. Instead, he should insist that he defends the title in a match against the winner of Mexico City. That would be nice and continue the match tradition. 
  
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Re: Kramnik-Topalov match
Reply #1332 - 10/16/06 at 05:12:43
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RE: "If anyone other than Kramnik wins in Mexico City (my money's on Anand), then Topalov will declare that he has a right to face that other player in a match.

That's a good point Smyslov_Fan.  I would LOVE to see a Kramnik-Anand match instead of another Topalov match.
It would nice to see a Championship with two gentlemen instead of the infantile nonsense we just saw.

RE: "We will find the money and will demand that the match take place in Sofia. We will even propose the date March 3rd, 2007”  and "will insist on a return game".

Did anyone else find it funny that Danailov is "demanding" and "insisting"?   They demand the place and 'propose' the date, and even mention that Kramnik should be stripped of his title if he won't comply.  Maybe Danailov could tell Kramnik which openings to play as well?  What a jackass.

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ps - did Danailov forget about that Radjabov match scheduled for April 2007?
  
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Re: Kramnik-Topalov match
Reply #1331 - 10/16/06 at 02:52:35
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The Mexico City World Championship Tournament helps one person beyond all others: Veselein Topalov.

If Kramnik plays, he has to win or else the world title is confused again.  If he does win, Topalov will still clamor for a re-match, this time against a very very tired Kramnik.

If Kramnik doesn't play, then he's lost the moral high ground of keeping within his contract, despite the ridiculous requirement that Kramnik plays.

If anyone other than Kramnik wins in Mexico City (my money's on Anand), then Topalov will declare that he has a right to face that other player in a match.  Topalov will have a chance to beat that player, even if it is Anand.   

In all cases, Topalov will be rested and be able to take notes on the tournament.  He will use the time to recuperate and prepare to win several major tournaments in a row.  The whole time, he can also start to rebuild his image in the chess world.   This is a win-win situation for Topalov, and a lose-lose situation for Kramnik.  The only way Kramnik wins is if he wins the tournament and even FIDE agrees he's earned a year off.
  
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Re: Kramnik-Topalov match
Reply #1330 - 10/15/06 at 17:08:24
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chessy wrote on 10/15/06 at 10:01:29:
I would be intressted in interviews after the match with Topalov or Kramnik. Does anybody know a link with a interview.

(i know only chessbase, fide page)

But maybe bulgarien newspaper etc.

thx

For links to Topalov (and Danailov) statements, you can try 
http://www.veselintopalov.net/

although probably everything there will also be cited on the Chessbase site.

From this site (and repeated by Chessbase) we have:
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Match Kramnik Topalov in March 2007? · Oct 15, 05:20 PM
 
Silvio Danailov: “FIDE regulations allow every world champion that has lost the title to challenge the title holder. The total prize fund is 1,5 million dollars. We will find this money and will request the game to take place in Sofia. We will offer an exact date, 3rd of March 2007.”
The press conference took place in “Grand Hotel”, Sofia. The date suggestion is not a random pick. It is the national holiday of Bulgaria.
Earlier today Veselin Topalov said in an interview, “Elista is a great place with very nice people. The organization was perfect. The problems that appeared could have occurred at any other place.” He also said that he is not sure if he will be invited to participate in Mexico, and that a rematch depends on current FIDE regulations and changes that may come in the future.


and from http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=71178 Quote:
Bulgaria's Topalov Wants the World Title Back, Challenges Kramnik

Sports: 15 October 2006, Sunday.

Bulgaria's chess king Vesselin Topalov, who lost the title of world's best chess grandmaster with a narrow defeat against Russia's Vladimir Kramnik, will insist on a return game, his manager announced in Sofia. 

The regulations of the World chess federation (FIDE) allows every former world champion to challenge his opponent should he secure the prize of EUR 1,5 M, Silvio Danailov told journalists on Sunday.

According to Danailov the return match could take place in Sofia, on March 3, 2007.

Danailov suspects Kramnik will not accept the offer, which will force FIDE to strip him of the world's only chess king title.

Kramnik won the title of world's best chess grandmaster defeating Vesselin Topalov on the fourth game of a tiebreak. The title was settled Friday by "rapid-play" and then "blitz" chess - shorter games relying on instinct as much as calculation, which ended 2.5:1.5.

For the past three weeks, chess fans have been gripped by the most dramatic world championship match for the last twenty years. The match was held in Elista, the capital of the Russian republic of Kalmykia.

Topalov and Kramnik inspired reminiscences of Kasparov and Karpov, who first started the schism in the chess world back in 1993.

The rematch demand comes as no surprise, nor does the typical Danailov snipe suggesting Kramnik will refuse the rematch and be stripped of his title.
  
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Re: Kramnik-Topalov match
Reply #1329 - 10/15/06 at 10:01:29
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I would be intressted in interviews after the match with Topalov or Kramnik. Does anybody know a link with a interview.

(i know only chessbase, fide page)

But maybe bulgarien newspaper etc.

thx
  
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Re: Kramnik-Topalov match
Reply #1328 - 10/15/06 at 00:54:35
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oh, lol, i see 'WC' can mean different things these days, anyway i only use 'wc' to mean world championship Smiley
  
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Re: Kramnik-Topalov match
Reply #1327 - 10/14/06 at 18:15:18
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Kramnik should get the match played in a WC Huh

Cute.  Roll Eyes

How about this?
from http://www.chessninja.com/dailydirt/2006/10/kramniktopalov_tiebreaks.htm Quote:
Kramnik wins game four and the match! It's finally over! Unified champion! And, in a final flourish, instead of going for a last bathroom break, Kramnik whips it out right there and piddles all over Danailov and Topalov's shoes!

Maybe we gotta draw a line somewhere on this bathroom humor...  Undecided
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Re: Kramnik-Topalov match
Reply #1326 - 10/14/06 at 17:07:29
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sorry, maybe i was unclear with that comment. i just meant, kram should try to get the world championship back like the way they used to play them, with matches, not tournaments.
  
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Re: Kramnik-Topalov match
Reply #1325 - 10/14/06 at 16:52:20
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The FIDE has allready messed things up. 
The candidate matches to eliminate half of the candidates will not go through.
Instead there probably will be an elimination tournament in .....  Elista!
So there is room to include Topalov in the cycle after all.....
Further I would not be surprised if several candidates would choose not
to participate, being cheated out of the proposed matches...

As for the format of a round robin tournament instead of a match. 
Well I used to prefer matches, but as long as Kramnik is around 
I wouldnt mind using the Tourament format now and again..

"Kramnik should get the WC played in a match"
should this not be read the other way round:
Kramnik should get the match played in a WC Huh
  
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