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Topalov wins 23 (29.1%) Kramnik wins 37 (46.8%) Draw 2 (2.5%) Match gets cancelled 17 (21.5%) other?... 0 (0.0%) Total votes: 79 « Created by: OstapBender on: 05/25/06 at 17:35:43 »

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Keano God Member Offline Money doesn't talk, it swears. Posts: 2928 Location: Toulouse Joined: 05/25/05 Gender:	Re: Kramnik-Topalov match Reply #199 - 09/29/06 at 10:06:48	Post Tools	Print Post
	Well this is all very entertaining but nothing more than a distraction from the real business really. From a cynical point of view it does make sense for the Topalov team to try and change the psychological atmosphere of the match, but I suspect if anything it will unsettle Topalov as much as Kramnik. In fact I think both of them are well able to handle the situation and can see through these games, so it should have little effect on the pattern of the match. Today once again Topalov is facing the threat of 3-0 and anihilation - I suspect he will be happy to defend against the Catalan again, possible with a different variation this time.


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Smyslov_Fan God Member Correspondence fan Offline Progress depends on the unreasonable man. ~GBS Posts: 6902 Joined: 06/15/05	Re: Kramnik-Topalov match Reply #198 - 09/29/06 at 04:04:46	Post Tools	Print Post
	Stormcrow, When I voted that the match would get cancelled, I did so back in May. I never got the chance to change my vote when Kramnik regained his health over the summer. The charge of Kramnik cheating somehow has to be forgotten after the gaffes made in the second game. I wonder how many times I go to the bathroom during a match. I drink lots of water and get up quite often. Kramnik probably has me beat, but then if he was cheating, wouldn't he stay in the bathroom for longer intervals instead of going in and out as often as the Topalov team has counted? Maybe Toppy's parapsychologist has given Kramnik a urinary infection?


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J-dog Senior Member Offline Posts: 283 Location: Colorado Springs, CO Joined: 11/15/05 Gender:	Re: Kramnik-Topalov match Reply #197 - 09/28/06 at 19:21:20	Post Tools	Print Post
	I was surprised to see how many people voted that the match would be cancelled on this poll, but maybe they were on to something as it seems to be back on the cards! Maybe they should just move the board into the "relaxation room" so that Kramnik would have the best of both worlds! Just kidding.


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Antillian God Member Offline Brilliance without dazzle! Posts: 1757 Joined: 01/05/03 Gender:	Re: Kramnik-Topalov match Reply #196 - 09/28/06 at 18:48:58	Post Tools	Print Post
	lnn2 wrote on 09/28/06 at 14:08:26: Kramnik cheating?? Danailov press release claims Kramnik visited bathroom more than 50 times: http://www.chesscenter.com/twic/event/kratop06/kratoppress.html Looking at the games, i'm not sure if Kramnik was cheating... certainly many of his moves are not first choice moves by the computer. This is a really low blow by the Topalov team. There are many legitiamte reasons for going to the bathroom frequently. I myself for reasons I could never understand find that I have to visit the bathroom innumerable times during a tournament game.

	"Breakthrough results come about by a series of good decisions, diligently executed and accumulated one on top of another." Jim Collins --- Good to Great
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woofwoof God Member Offline chess is like life Posts: 929 Location: Singapore Joined: 07/04/05 Gender:	Re: Kramnik-Topalov match Reply #195 - 09/28/06 at 18:36:03	Post Tools	Print Post
	"Kramnik Loo Attack-Topalov defence"

	"I don't make mistakes. I make prophecies which immediately turn out to be wrong." - Murray Walker
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Uberdecker God Member Offline Posts: 641 Joined: 03/21/06	Re: Kramnik-Topalov match Reply #194 - 09/28/06 at 17:05:05	Post Tools	Print Post
	[quote author=lnn2 link=1148578544/180#192 date=1159462625] We'll call this Topalov's Toilet Variation (or should it be Toilet Gambit?!).[/quote] "The WC variation" seems more appropriate, no ? Besides, there is already a "Toilet variation".


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castlerock God Member Offline Erro Ergo Sum Posts: 842 Location: Chennai Joined: 02/24/05 Gender:	Re: Kramnik-Topalov match Reply #193 - 09/28/06 at 16:58:40	Post Tools	Print Post
	Mea Culpa 'and' should have been 'or'. That said TJ, my original post says this and it was omitted by you while quoting me. Quote: I was meaning to post this once Topalov’s bloated and ugly ego took a beating. Your post, SF, made me prophesize earlier. Grin

	CastleRock
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lnn2 God Member Offline Posts: 1504 Location: nc Joined: 09/22/04	Re: Kramnik-Topalov match Reply #192 - 09/28/06 at 16:57:05	Post Tools	Print Post
	Klick wrote on 09/28/06 at 14:19:00: This just reflects badly on Danailov. I suspect they haven't even asked Kramnik about it. It might be an attempt at unsettling Kramnik psychologically. We are used to such attempts from earlier WC-matches. We'll call this Topalov's Toilet Variation (or should it be Toilet Gambit?!). The Toilet line gives a slight advantage for White (ie. the one who initiated the complications, Topalov), especially if there was sufficient home preparation. But with accurate defence, Black can manage to draw, or even win if White tries too hard


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TalJechin God Member Offline There is no secret ingredient. Posts: 2892 Location: Malmö Joined: 08/12/04 Gender:	Re: Kramnik-Topalov match Reply #191 - 09/28/06 at 16:07:42	Post Tools	Print Post
	castlerock wrote on 09/28/06 at 15:53:05: he won the title from Kasparov and retained it against Leko and Topalov! Has any other world champion won and defended his title against an opposition this formidable? Quote: Uhm beating Leko? I guess Botwinnik beat Bronstein then Quote: Second person! Where have I said Kramnik beat Leko? *'Has any other world champion won* and defended his title against an opposition this formidable?'** Actually, some world champions can boast about more than beating the previous champ, drawing his 2nd match and leading a third match...


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castlerock God Member Offline Erro Ergo Sum Posts: 842 Location: Chennai Joined: 02/24/05 Gender:	Re: Kramnik-Topalov match Reply #190 - 09/28/06 at 15:53:05	Post Tools	Print Post
	Willempie wrote on 09/28/06 at 12:14:23: castlerock wrote on 09/28/06 at 04:54:12: he won the title from Kasparov and retained it against Leko and Topalov! Has any other world champion won and defended his title against an opposition this formidable? Uhm beating Leko? I guess Botwinnik beat Bronstein then Second person! Where have I said Kramnik beat Leko?

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Uberdecker God Member Offline Posts: 641 Joined: 03/21/06	Re: Kramnik-Topalov match Reply #189 - 09/28/06 at 14:54:28	Post Tools	Print Post
	[quote author=Willempie link=1148578544/180#186 date=1159453059] Yeah but now I make the comparison. And I am a well known chess authority, therefore to be taken much more seriously ;D [/quote] Just so you know : I'm not going to touch that... I've had enough fights on this forum! P.S. Kramnik would be an ididot to attempt cheating and it's even more idiotic to accuse him of it.


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Buzz YaBB Newbies Offline Its all in the cheese..... Posts: 36 Joined: 09/07/06	Re: Kramnik-Topalov match Reply #188 - 09/28/06 at 14:50:19	Post Tools	Print Post
	I look for Toppy to draw next game and to really come out swinging as white in game #6. I think game #6 is a must win situation because the draw puts Toppy too far behind with too little few games left. I would suspect Kramnick to start getting super solid so it shall be interesting to see what Toppy has cooked up for game #6!


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Klick God Member Offline Posts: 528 Joined: 01/31/03	Re: Kramnik-Topalov match Reply #187 - 09/28/06 at 14:19:00	Post Tools	Print Post
	This just reflects badly on Danailov. I suspect they haven't even asked Kramnik about it. It might be an attempt at unsettling Kramnik psychologically. We are used to such attempts from earlier WC-matches.

	There just isn't enough televised chess - DAVID LETTERMAN
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Willempie God Member Offline I love ChessPublishing .com! Posts: 4312 Location: Holland Joined: 01/07/05	Re: Kramnik-Topalov match Reply #186 - 09/28/06 at 14:17:39	Post Tools	Print Post
	[quote author=Uberdeker link=1148578544/180#184 date=1159446223]At the end of the Kramnik-Leko match I made the same shallow comparison -only with regard to the result. Iakov Murey lunged out at me "How dare you compare Bronstein with Leko?! Who is Leko?? He is nobody!!"[/quote] Yeah but now I make the comparison. And I am a well known chess authority, therefore to be taken much more seriously ;D Plus of course Leko isnt in the same league as Bronstein. After all Bronstein needed Boleslavsky to slow down in the candidates tournament so they could finish shared first. Leko only won it directly ;)

	If nothing else works, a total pig-headed unwillingness to look facts in the face will see us through.
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lnn2 God Member Offline Posts: 1504 Location: nc Joined: 09/22/04	Re: Kramnik-Topalov match Reply #185 - 09/28/06 at 14:08:26	Post Tools	Print Post
	Kramnik cheating?? Danailov press release claims Kramnik visited bathroom more than 50 times: http://www.chesscenter.com/twic/event/kratop06/kratoppress.html Looking at the games, i'm not sure if Kramnik was cheating... certainly many of his moves are not first choice moves by the computer.


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