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Topalov wins 23 (29.1%) Kramnik wins 37 (46.8%) Draw 2 (2.5%) Match gets cancelled 17 (21.5%) other?... 0 (0.0%) Total votes: 79 « Created by: OstapBender on: 05/25/06 at 17:35:43 »

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Kramnik-Topalov match (Read 88814 times)

castlerock God Member Offline Erro Ergo Sum Posts: 842 Location: Chennai Joined: 02/24/05 Gender:	Re: Kramnik-Topalov match Reply #454 - 10/04/06 at 14:45:34	Post Tools	Print Post
	More than good. Both Knight captures will be good for black. Kramnik is assured of draw, me thinks.

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Keano God Member Offline Money doesn't talk, it swears. Posts: 2928 Location: Toulouse Joined: 05/25/05 Gender:	Re: Kramnik-Topalov match Reply #453 - 10/04/06 at 14:39:30	Post Tools	Print Post
	40...Nb4 looks a good move to me


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Markovich God Member Offline Posts: 6099 Location: Columbus, Ohio Joined: 09/17/04	Re: Kramnik-Topalov match Reply #452 - 10/04/06 at 14:34:43	Post Tools	Print Post
	I have no engine here, but I think that after ...Qd7 White may perhaps have enough for his pawn, no more. I was absent for awhile, but it seemed to me that Topalov dithered around quite a bit starting with 21. Qf3.

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castlerock God Member Offline Erro Ergo Sum Posts: 842 Location: Chennai Joined: 02/24/05 Gender:	Re: Kramnik-Topalov match Reply #451 - 10/04/06 at 14:31:51	Post Tools	Print Post
	Depends on whether Kramnik plays 40...Qd5. Withat e5 pawn will go and the game.

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Keano God Member Offline Money doesn't talk, it swears. Posts: 2928 Location: Toulouse Joined: 05/25/05 Gender:	Re: Kramnik-Topalov match Reply #450 - 10/04/06 at 14:31:06	Post Tools	Print Post
	Kramnik down to last seconds for move 40....


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IMJohnCox God Member Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 1551 Location: London Joined: 01/28/06 Gender:	Re: Kramnik-Topalov match Reply #449 - 10/04/06 at 14:28:20	Post Tools	Print Post
	On the contrary, Keano, Fritz is notoriously optimistic with its claims of compensation for pawn sacrifices. If he says -0.69 when you have sacrificed a pawn that’s a serious bad sign. I think White could be in trouble here, possibly even lost. I don’t think Topalov saw 36…Nb6, or at least some tactic associated with it.


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Antillian God Member Offline Brilliance without dazzle! Posts: 1757 Joined: 01/05/03 Gender:	Re: Kramnik-Topalov match Reply #448 - 10/04/06 at 14:25:39	Post Tools	Print Post
	Willempie wrote on 10/04/06 at 14:21:57: No tricks I have seen at least. Not sure what Be1 is about looks rather silly to me. Could be protecting f2 in case of 39...Qd4

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Keano God Member Offline Money doesn't talk, it swears. Posts: 2928 Location: Toulouse Joined: 05/25/05 Gender:	Re: Kramnik-Topalov match Reply #447 - 10/04/06 at 14:24:57	Post Tools	Print Post
	castlerock wrote on 10/04/06 at 14:23:14: Engine says none. Threats keep popping up. Fridz like 39...Nd4 Says black is better. Equals plus (-0.69) to be precise Interesting - considering Black is a pawn up that would suggest to me White has decent play for it....


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OstapBender God Member Offline There is no spoon. Posts: 1491 Location: not in Kansas anymore Joined: 10/16/04	Re: Kramnik-Topalov match Reply #446 - 10/04/06 at 14:23:22	Post Tools	Print Post
	At a glance, I also prefer White. Topalov has plenty of comp for the pawn.

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castlerock God Member Offline Erro Ergo Sum Posts: 842 Location: Chennai Joined: 02/24/05 Gender:	Re: Kramnik-Topalov match Reply #445 - 10/04/06 at 14:23:14	Post Tools	Print Post
	Engine says none. Threats keep popping up. Fridz like 39...Nd4 Says black is better. Equals plus (-0.69) to be precise

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Willempie God Member Offline I love ChessPublishing .com! Posts: 4312 Location: Holland Joined: 01/07/05	Re: Kramnik-Topalov match Reply #444 - 10/04/06 at 14:21:57	Post Tools	Print Post
	No tricks I have seen at least. Not sure what Be1 is about looks rather silly to me.

	If nothing else works, a total pig-headed unwillingness to look facts in the face will see us through.
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Keano God Member Offline Money doesn't talk, it swears. Posts: 2928 Location: Toulouse Joined: 05/25/05 Gender:	Re: Kramnik-Topalov match Reply #443 - 10/04/06 at 14:20:09	Post Tools	Print Post
	I have no engine, but to my eye I prefer to be White with the 2 bishops and the c-file, I may be talking rubbish as that has happened before.


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IMJohnCox God Member Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 1551 Location: London Joined: 01/28/06 Gender:	Re: Kramnik-Topalov match Reply #442 - 10/04/06 at 14:18:19	Post Tools	Print Post
	Excellent - a proper job, lunch until 3.15. Yes, 40 in two, so no real time trouble. Can someone with an engine put me out of my misery, though? White doesn't have any clever tactic here involving trapping that rook, the back rank, or anything like that, does he?


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Keano God Member Offline Money doesn't talk, it swears. Posts: 2928 Location: Toulouse Joined: 05/25/05 Gender:	Re: Kramnik-Topalov match Reply #441 - 10/04/06 at 14:17:19	Post Tools	Print Post
	well 3 including this move 38, and he has 10 minutes so thats not too bad - what is the position? Toppy a pawn down but with 2 bishops v 2 knights.


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castlerock God Member Offline Erro Ergo Sum Posts: 842 Location: Chennai Joined: 02/24/05 Gender:	Re: Kramnik-Topalov match Reply #440 - 10/04/06 at 14:16:56	Post Tools	Print Post
	Perhaps Topalov would have waggerd on 37.Qg4 Nd7 38.Qa4 Nb6 routine? Unlike Topalov, od course.

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