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Topalov wins    
  23 (29.1%)
Kramnik wins    
  37 (46.8%)
Draw    
  2 (2.5%)
Match gets cancelled    
  17 (21.5%)
other?...    
  0 (0.0%)




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Reply #469 - 10/04/06 at 16:30:24
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Draw now official - interesting ending. In the big picture though this is a great result for Kramnik, he has 3 Whites to come now, I am sure Topalov was going all out to win today, as it happened in the end he did well to draw it.
  
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Reply #468 - 10/04/06 at 16:19:28
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Kramnik still has the extra pawn (maybe I was wrong earlier about Topalov's comp), but I think this should probably be a draw.  Certainly White has no winning chances, but Kramnik may be able to make Toppy suffer.

Now they're repeating the position - draw (maybe not official yet).

It's official: Draw!
  

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Reply #467 - 10/04/06 at 15:39:15
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Quite the display so far by Kramnik. Topalov's Qf3 retreat and g3 didnt help I think, but he just couldnt seem to find a point to punch into.
  

If nothing else works, a total pig-headed unwillingness to look facts in the face will see us through.
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Reply #466 - 10/04/06 at 15:34:07
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Hmm, this looks rather annoying, just for a moment. I do hope Kramnik had entirely, er, taken 45 Rc7 into account.......
  
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Reply #465 - 10/04/06 at 15:24:32
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Fine, yes, but not as good as I'd hoped for a moment. Still, huge blow for Topalov. He gets his prep and still can't lay a glove on Kramnik, indeed at best almost loses. Only two whites to go. If Kramnik just stays cool and keep a straight bat, I'm hopeful.
  
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Reply #464 - 10/04/06 at 15:19:28
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IMJohnCox wrote on 10/04/06 at 15:13:23:

Actually, I’m coming round to White. Maybe his drawing chances are greater than Black’s winning chances after all.


So long as Topalov doesn't win, it's fine, no?

A friend has come to pull me out for a beer. Sort of an early celebration for Topalov's down fall! Grin 
  

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Reply #463 - 10/04/06 at 15:13:23
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I guess White doesn’t fall for that: he goes 45 Kg2 or something and has counterplay: it’s hard for Black to break that pin without playing g6 and then White will surely draw once the pawns are split and he’s eliminated his h5 weakness. What about 44…Kh7? 45 Bd3 Nf6, perhaps – is …e5….e4 a threat? But Black isn’t threatening to take h5 anyway – maybe White just takes on a6 now, or Ra8.

Actually, I’m coming round to White. Maybe his drawing chances are greater than Black’s winning chances after all.
  
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Reply #462 - 10/04/06 at 15:04:40
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Gosh, it's such agony watching this without an engine. Playing chess must be like this......

Can Black not just win here - 44...Nf8 45 Bxa6 Rb1 46 Kf1 Nd4 threatening ..Nc2 and ...Nf3. What's White doing about that?

White might even lose with R B and 3 v R N and four. It's not easy to defend at the best of times - is h5 an asset or a weakness, I wonder? Guess it depends which bishop is left. If he has the white bishop it might help with tricks against Black's king.
  
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Reply #461 - 10/04/06 at 15:01:47
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Pop goes e5 pawn and the game.
  

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Re: Kramnik-Topalov match
Reply #460 - 10/04/06 at 14:58:57
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Nd3 eliminates one bishop. But Fritz down graded to (-0.65). But to my human eye 2nd and 3rd ranks look quite troublesome for white. Thats why I sought expert opinion
  

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Re: Kramnik-Topalov match
Reply #459 - 10/04/06 at 14:53:38
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Rublevsky must be loving this. Such karma for Danailov.

I'm no great judge, but I'd say 0-1 was a definite favourite. What does Fritz say?
  
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Re: Kramnik-Topalov match
Reply #458 - 10/04/06 at 14:52:33
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I missed what happened earlier but I agree this has gone wrong for Toppy.
I had thought it would be a very tricky one to convert into a win what with those bishops - but now I look at it I´m not so sure... this could be the critical game, I will tune in later to see what happened!
  
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Re: Kramnik-Topalov match
Reply #457 - 10/04/06 at 14:49:39
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Castlerock, I don’t think the question is whether Kramnik has a draw, but whether White has drawing chances and if so how. White’s e1 bishop is a terrible piece and Black seems to be forcing further exchanges without White acquiring any compensating activity. I don’t see a good move for White: if he moves the bishop is even ….Nd3 possible, meeting Rd1 with …Nxe5?
  
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Re: Kramnik-Topalov match
Reply #456 - 10/04/06 at 14:49:16
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John, what's your take? Would you put your money on 0-1?
  

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Re: Kramnik-Topalov match
Reply #455 - 10/04/06 at 14:45:43
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Excellent - Topalov settling down for a long think after the time control. Classic sign of a player surveying the wreck he's made of his position during the scramble - not that there was one really, but still.

I have hopes here: if Vlad can convert this then the match is surely close to over even with the point start for Topalov.
  
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