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Topalov wins 23 (29.1%) Kramnik wins 37 (46.8%) Draw 2 (2.5%) Match gets cancelled 17 (21.5%) other?... 0 (0.0%) Total votes: 79 « Created by: OstapBender on: 05/25/06 at 17:35:43 »

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Kramnik-Topalov match (Read 88849 times)

OstapBender God Member Offline There is no spoon. Posts: 1491 Location: not in Kansas anymore Joined: 10/16/04	Re: Kramnik-Topalov match Reply #514 - 10/05/06 at 13:12:13	Post Tools	Print Post
	26...Rc8 looks good to me, but Toppy just played ...Ra8. Maybe he didn't like prospects of 2N vs R ending?

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castlerock God Member Offline Erro Ergo Sum Posts: 842 Location: Chennai Joined: 02/24/05 Gender:	Re: Kramnik-Topalov match Reply #513 - 10/05/06 at 13:11:21	Post Tools	Print Post
	Fridz prefers the forced exchange with Rc8

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Willempie God Member Offline I love ChessPublishing .com! Posts: 4312 Location: Holland Joined: 01/07/05	Re: Kramnik-Topalov match Reply #512 - 10/05/06 at 13:11:15	Post Tools	Print Post
	Anything wrong with 26.. Bxd6 27 Rxd6 Ke7 28 something Ra8 followed by Kd8 and Rc8?

	If nothing else works, a total pig-headed unwillingness to look facts in the face will see us through.
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IMJohnCox God Member Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 1551 Location: London Joined: 01/28/06 Gender:	Re: Kramnik-Topalov match Reply #511 - 10/05/06 at 13:06:15	Post Tools	Print Post
	Wow, finally I get one right. Maybe Kramnik has some play here, or is 26...Ra8 just going to defend the a-pawn easily?


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castlerock God Member Offline Erro Ergo Sum Posts: 842 Location: Chennai Joined: 02/24/05 Gender:	Re: Kramnik-Topalov match Reply #510 - 10/05/06 at 13:01:51	Post Tools	Print Post
	There is Rd1 for Kramnik no? Hell. I too started thinking like Topalov fans - trying to find some solace and activity in any position. Been a busy day, busier than Danailovs. Will get to my engine in 10 mins.

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IMJohnCox God Member Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 1551 Location: London Joined: 01/28/06 Gender:	Re: Kramnik-Topalov match Reply #509 - 10/05/06 at 13:01:48	Post Tools	Print Post
	Maybe - 25 a4, how is Black defending his a-pawn? He needs a good manoeuvre here to consolidate just yet. 25...Bxd6 26 Rxd6 Ke7 27 Rc6 Rc8 28 Rxc8 Nxc8 29 Rc1 Kd8 does the trick, though. Maybe White's going Rad1 here? That might be a good move.


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Willempie God Member Offline I love ChessPublishing .com! Posts: 4312 Location: Holland Joined: 01/07/05	Re: Kramnik-Topalov match Reply #508 - 10/05/06 at 12:53:27	Post Tools	Print Post
	24.. Be7 ouch. Looks like black will untangle rather quickly with this one as now the knight can move.

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IMJohnCox God Member Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 1551 Location: London Joined: 01/28/06 Gender:	Re: Kramnik-Topalov match Reply #507 - 10/05/06 at 12:49:22	Post Tools	Print Post
	Maybe it's not so bad - c6 is still weak and a rook there might be a bit annoying; if now 23...N5b6 24 Rc6 and maybe a4-a5 gives White some play; Ra6 would be quite annoying. And if 23...N7b6 can White get away with Rb8? I guess he must be able to or Kramnik would hardly have played Rc8.


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Willempie God Member Offline I love ChessPublishing .com! Posts: 4312 Location: Holland Joined: 01/07/05	Re: Kramnik-Topalov match Reply #506 - 10/05/06 at 12:48:42	Post Tools	Print Post
	Something must have gone wrong in Krammy's preparation

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IMJohnCox God Member Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 1551 Location: London Joined: 01/28/06 Gender:	Re: Kramnik-Topalov match Reply #505 - 10/05/06 at 12:39:57	Post Tools	Print Post
	Of course - 21...Nd5. Now if Bd6 the knight on d7 moves and the king comes to d7. White seems to have no play at all. The question is how much better Black is if the position stabilises; intuitively I'd have thought a lot. This might be a very depressing afternoon.


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Keano God Member Offline Money doesn't talk, it swears. Posts: 2928 Location: Toulouse Joined: 05/25/05 Gender:	Re: Kramnik-Topalov match Reply #504 - 10/05/06 at 12:39:53	Post Tools	Print Post
	21...Nd5 It would appear Black is better to me, a chance for Toppy?


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Willempie God Member Offline I love ChessPublishing .com! Posts: 4312 Location: Holland Joined: 01/07/05	Re: Kramnik-Topalov match Reply #503 - 10/05/06 at 12:38:59	Post Tools	Print Post
	I must be missing something. After Nd5 and Nb6 by black where is white's compensation?

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IMJohnCox God Member Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 1551 Location: London Joined: 01/28/06 Gender:	Re: Kramnik-Topalov match Reply #502 - 10/05/06 at 12:37:06	Post Tools	Print Post
	OMG - Qxb4. That must be admitting White is much worse, no? 20...Qxb4 21 Bxb4 Nb6; what's White move? Maybe he has more play than appears at first sight - 22 a4 perhaps? Then if 22...Be7? 23 a5 Bxb4? 24 axb6 wins.


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castlerock God Member Offline Erro Ergo Sum Posts: 842 Location: Chennai Joined: 02/24/05 Gender:	Re: Kramnik-Topalov match Reply #501 - 10/05/06 at 12:36:54	Post Tools	Print Post
	Need about 15 mins Jhon. Unavoidable work. Get back soon

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Keano God Member Offline Money doesn't talk, it swears. Posts: 2928 Location: Toulouse Joined: 05/25/05 Gender:	Re: Kramnik-Topalov match Reply #500 - 10/05/06 at 12:36:00	Post Tools	Print Post
	Now....not sure Black can manage to keep Queens on (which he´d like) so it looks like we´re heading for that ending either now or in a couple of moves


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