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Topalov wins    
  23 (29.1%)
Kramnik wins    
  37 (46.8%)
Draw    
  2 (2.5%)
Match gets cancelled    
  17 (21.5%)
other?...    
  0 (0.0%)




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Re: Kramnik-Topalov match
Reply #529 - 10/05/06 at 13:59:30
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Exchanging rooks (after ...Rc8) might still be drawish.
  

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Reply #528 - 10/05/06 at 13:57:58
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Starting to look drawish, I still think he should have gone for Rc8 when I said so Grin
  

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Re: Kramnik-Topalov match
Reply #527 - 10/05/06 at 13:48:40
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well he played ..h6, pretty obvious I suppose -...g5,...g4 coming
  
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Re: Kramnik-Topalov match
Reply #526 - 10/05/06 at 13:46:56
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It seems to me Black must play for a gradual push of his kinside pawns here to provoke some kind of weakness on the other side
  
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Re: Kramnik-Topalov match
Reply #525 - 10/05/06 at 13:40:57
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Castlerock; yes I did; in my experience Fritz9 overestimates the compensation for pawn sacrifices particularly (this is a common view, not just mine). But I think he'd generally be sweeter on two knights against a rook than humans; the troubles two knights sometimes have in a open position arising much later in the game with pawns on both wings are beyond his horizon. And to be fair Fritzy himself is a wizard at co-ordinating two minor pieces in endings; this is one of those tasks us poor humans lag way behind him in. So he maybe rates them for his own use, as it were.

Anyway, I confess I'm growing quite optimistic of a hold. Those rooks are very active and unless Black can activate or trade his rook you wouldn't think he could play for a win really.
  
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Reply #524 - 10/05/06 at 13:39:38
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Wll, got to go and hoping for a draw!
  

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Re: Kramnik-Topalov match
Reply #523 - 10/05/06 at 13:31:28
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castlerock wrote on 10/05/06 at 13:29:10:
Well, now according to Fridz, 29.f3 was preferrable to avoid ...Nd5 and to get into rook pawn ending. Says 29..a5 makes black clearly better. Huh.

Toppy's using your fritz Wink
  

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Re: Kramnik-Topalov match
Reply #522 - 10/05/06 at 13:30:58
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IMJohnCox wrote on 10/05/06 at 13:28:36:

I'm feeling a bit more cheerful - specially if Fritz thinks Black's only a bit better; generally he'd quite like the material advantage, I think.


Yesterday didn't you say fridz eveluates pawn sacs better? or have I misunderstood?
  

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Re: Kramnik-Topalov match
Reply #521 - 10/05/06 at 13:30:02
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Bc7 would make the rook on b7 clamped in I think

The endgame as it is looks won to me. I dont see how white is going to hold with or without a rook swap. Maybe he has got a chance if the queenside pawns are cleared.
  

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Re: Kramnik-Topalov match
Reply #520 - 10/05/06 at 13:29:10
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Well, now according to Fridz, 29.f3 was preferrable to avoid ...Nd5 and to get into rook pawn ending. Says 29..a5 makes black clearly better. Huh.
  

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Re: Kramnik-Topalov match
Reply #519 - 10/05/06 at 13:28:36
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No, rook to the c-file. 

Can Black exchange it? White keeps rooks on c7 and b7; how does Black progress? He can't move either knight and the a-pawn's loose. In fact I wonder how he defends the a-pawn at all after 29...Kd8 30 Rcc7. Maybe he's going to rule that out with 29....Nd5, but then 30 Rc6 comes, perhaps.

I'm feeling a bit more cheerful - specially if Fritz thinks Black's only a bit better; generally he'd quite like the material advantage, I think.
  
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Re: Kramnik-Topalov match
Reply #518 - 10/05/06 at 13:24:20
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Or was Rb7 making room for the bishop? 28 a4 a5 29 Bc7, for example. In fact what's Black's move after 28 Bc7 now?
  
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Re: Kramnik-Topalov match
Reply #517 - 10/05/06 at 13:23:34
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Black can always exchange the rook when it gets to c6 because of back rank. Fridz says slightly better for black. Nothing great. (I hope)
  

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Re: Kramnik-Topalov match
Reply #516 - 10/05/06 at 13:16:30
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So now I am smarter than both Fritz and Topalov Cool
  

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Re: Kramnik-Topalov match
Reply #515 - 10/05/06 at 13:16:29
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Almost instantly Rb7 from Kramnik. Does he want to trade bishops and bring the other rook to c7 - does that set-up tie Black down to the extent he can't do anything?

So what's Fritz's evaluation, castlerock?
  
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