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Topalov wins 23 (29.1%) Kramnik wins 37 (46.8%) Draw 2 (2.5%) Match gets cancelled 17 (21.5%) other?... 0 (0.0%) Total votes: 79 « Created by: OstapBender on: 05/25/06 at 17:35:43 »

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Kramnik-Topalov match (Read 88979 times)

castlerock God Member Offline Erro Ergo Sum Posts: 842 Location: Chennai Joined: 02/24/05 Gender:	Re: Kramnik-Topalov match Reply #574 - 10/05/06 at 14:51:32	Post Tools	Print Post
	IMJohnCox wrote on 10/05/06 at 14:47:56: Yikes - the engines apparently go mad when 41 Kxg3 is played. Seems like they think Kramnik’s lost all of a sudden. Yes. Perhaps your machine, like mine, doesn't have a table base?

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Keano God Member Offline Money doesn't talk, it swears. Posts: 2928 Location: Toulouse Joined: 05/25/05 Gender:	Re: Kramnik-Topalov match Reply #573 - 10/05/06 at 14:51:03	Post Tools	Print Post
	He´s played it - what do the engines say? Looks like curtains to me...


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Keano God Member Offline Money doesn't talk, it swears. Posts: 2928 Location: Toulouse Joined: 05/25/05 Gender:	Re: Kramnik-Topalov match Reply #572 - 10/05/06 at 14:50:10	Post Tools	Print Post
	What about ...Nc5 -e4+ followed by ..Rg8


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Keano God Member Offline Money doesn't talk, it swears. Posts: 2928 Location: Toulouse Joined: 05/25/05 Gender:	Re: Kramnik-Topalov match Reply #571 - 10/05/06 at 14:48:51	Post Tools	Print Post
	There must be an attack coming with the Knights, in fairness though I cant see how White can defend this position in practical terms


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Willempie God Member Offline I love ChessPublishing .com! Posts: 4312 Location: Holland Joined: 01/07/05	Re: Kramnik-Topalov match Reply #570 - 10/05/06 at 14:48:17	Post Tools	Print Post
	Hmm which pawn will go f3 or maybe b3 (after Nc5)

	If nothing else works, a total pig-headed unwillingness to look facts in the face will see us through.
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IMJohnCox God Member Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 1551 Location: London Joined: 01/28/06 Gender:	Re: Kramnik-Topalov match Reply #569 - 10/05/06 at 14:47:56	Post Tools	Print Post
	Yikes - the engines apparently go mad when 41 Kxg3 is played. Seems like they think Kramnik’s lost all of a sudden.


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Keano God Member Offline Money doesn't talk, it swears. Posts: 2928 Location: Toulouse Joined: 05/25/05 Gender:	Re: Kramnik-Topalov match Reply #568 - 10/05/06 at 14:46:57	Post Tools	Print Post
	41.Kxg3 played. This looks sensible trying to elimate as many pawns as possible


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Keano God Member Offline Money doesn't talk, it swears. Posts: 2928 Location: Toulouse Joined: 05/25/05 Gender:	Re: Kramnik-Topalov match Reply #567 - 10/05/06 at 14:45:48	Post Tools	Print Post
	Willempie - taking on g3 I cannot calculate an immediate win, but some combination of ...e3 followed by ...e5 or ...Rg8+ first looks very dangerous, I imagine it should be winning


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Keano God Member Offline Money doesn't talk, it swears. Posts: 2928 Location: Toulouse Joined: 05/25/05 Gender:	Re: Kramnik-Topalov match Reply #566 - 10/05/06 at 14:39:14	Post Tools	Print Post
	Willempie I dont think e4 is possible - ...Nc5+ comes Edit , sorry you got there before me As I said before, this looks great for Black to me - can somebody suggest moves for White?


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OstapBender God Member Offline There is no spoon. Posts: 1491 Location: not in Kansas anymore Joined: 10/16/04	Re: Kramnik-Topalov match Reply #565 - 10/05/06 at 14:38:54	Post Tools	Print Post
	Doesn't 41.e4 drop a pawn (due to knight fork ...Nc5)? Sorry - missed your last post - I see you had a different idea for 41.e4.

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Willempie God Member Offline I love ChessPublishing .com! Posts: 4312 Location: Holland Joined: 01/07/05	Re: Kramnik-Topalov match Reply #564 - 10/05/06 at 14:38:02	Post Tools	Print Post
	OstapBender wrote on 10/05/06 at 14:34:13: Topalov's knights are finding good squares. I think he has developed an initiative. I'm worried that White is in trouble, perhaps one second-best move away from losing. I agree that is why I think 41 e4 fxe4 42 Kxg3 may be his best option (I am not sure if it is a good option mind you) as otherwise the board will get swarming with black knights monty python style.

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Keano God Member Offline Money doesn't talk, it swears. Posts: 2928 Location: Toulouse Joined: 05/25/05 Gender:	Re: Kramnik-Topalov match Reply #563 - 10/05/06 at 14:37:18	Post Tools	Print Post
	Well for me it is a nightmare to defend for White - he has to watch out for all kinds of things, including ...e5. The Rook + 2 knights can suddenly switch to attack, I think if Kramnik holds this he deserves to win the match, but it just might not be possible. But.. I could be wrong!


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Willempie God Member Offline I love ChessPublishing .com! Posts: 4312 Location: Holland Joined: 01/07/05	Re: Kramnik-Topalov match Reply #562 - 10/05/06 at 14:35:50	Post Tools	Print Post
	OstapBender wrote on 10/05/06 at 14:32:53: Willempie wrote on 10/05/06 at 14:31:16: 41 f4 looks like a very good resource for white 39.f4 already played. 41 e4 of course

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OstapBender God Member Offline There is no spoon. Posts: 1491 Location: not in Kansas anymore Joined: 10/16/04	Re: Kramnik-Topalov match Reply #561 - 10/05/06 at 14:34:13	Post Tools	Print Post
	Topalov's knights are finding good squares. I think he has developed an initiative. I'm worried that White is in trouble, perhaps one second-best move away from losing.

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OstapBender God Member Offline There is no spoon. Posts: 1491 Location: not in Kansas anymore Joined: 10/16/04	Re: Kramnik-Topalov match Reply #560 - 10/05/06 at 14:32:53	Post Tools	Print Post
	Willempie wrote on 10/05/06 at 14:31:16: 41 f4 looks like a very good resource for white 39.f4 already played.

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