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Topalov wins 23 (29.1%) Kramnik wins 37 (46.8%) Draw 2 (2.5%) Match gets cancelled 17 (21.5%) other?... 0 (0.0%) Total votes: 79 « Created by: OstapBender on: 05/25/06 at 17:35:43 »

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Kramnik-Topalov match (Read 88861 times)

Keano God Member Offline Money doesn't talk, it swears. Posts: 2928 Location: Toulouse Joined: 05/25/05 Gender:	Re: Kramnik-Topalov match Reply #589 - 10/05/06 at 15:23:33	Post Tools	Print Post
	The next game should be interesting, I suspect Topalov will go all out to win again with White now that he has some momentum - important for Kramnik to steady the ship by drawing the next game.


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Keano God Member Offline Money doesn't talk, it swears. Posts: 2928 Location: Toulouse Joined: 05/25/05 Gender:	Re: Kramnik-Topalov match Reply #588 - 10/05/06 at 15:16:13	Post Tools	Print Post
	OstapBender wrote on 10/05/06 at 15:14:53: I think White is lost here. After 40...Nd5 there must have been something better that 41.Kxg3, but I wonder if White could've saved it anyway. Indeed, this will be a tough loss for Kramnik to bounce back from... I personally think the mistake was much earlier, after Black unravels with ...Kd6 it looks undefendable in practical terms


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Keano God Member Offline Money doesn't talk, it swears. Posts: 2928 Location: Toulouse Joined: 05/25/05 Gender:	Re: Kramnik-Topalov match Reply #587 - 10/05/06 at 15:15:01	Post Tools	Print Post
	well ...Rg8 has come now so we transpose to the other line, surely time for Kramnik to call it a day now


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OstapBender God Member Offline There is no spoon. Posts: 1491 Location: not in Kansas anymore Joined: 10/16/04	Re: Kramnik-Topalov match Reply #586 - 10/05/06 at 15:14:53	Post Tools	Print Post
	I think White is lost here. After 40...Nd5 there must have been something better that 41.Kxg3, but I wonder if White could've saved it anyway. Indeed, this will be a tough loss for Kramnik to bounce back from...

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Keano God Member Offline Money doesn't talk, it swears. Posts: 2928 Location: Toulouse Joined: 05/25/05 Gender:	Re: Kramnik-Topalov match Reply #585 - 10/05/06 at 15:13:16	Post Tools	Print Post
	Yes I am a Topalov fan and I must object in strongest terms to the behaviour of Danailov in this match. Nevertheless in chess terms Topalov is a fighter and even with the 2 point gap I had not given up on him unlike others.


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IMJohnCox God Member Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 1551 Location: London Joined: 01/28/06 Gender:	Re: Kramnik-Topalov match Reply #584 - 10/05/06 at 15:12:17	Post Tools	Print Post
	This looks a little better version for White than the engine line I gave above since if ...Ne4+ and so on White can drive the king back with Ra6+ in the course of taking on a5. It still looks very bad to me, though.


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OstapBender God Member Offline There is no spoon. Posts: 1491 Location: not in Kansas anymore Joined: 10/16/04	Re: Kramnik-Topalov match Reply #583 - 10/05/06 at 15:10:27	Post Tools	Print Post
	Left for a few minutes and on returning it looks like Kramnik will lose this one. Great game by Topalov! Too bad about the game 5 BS and his POS manager or I might have even enjoyed this game.

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Keano God Member Offline Money doesn't talk, it swears. Posts: 2928 Location: Toulouse Joined: 05/25/05 Gender:	Re: Kramnik-Topalov match Reply #582 - 10/05/06 at 15:10:06	Post Tools	Print Post
	Well my little sister could win this now so I wouldnt be surprised if Kramnik resigned, he is proabably just preparing himself for the press conference now. Great result by Topalov to finally get a win with Black.


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IMJohnCox God Member Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 1551 Location: London Joined: 01/28/06 Gender:	Re: Kramnik-Topalov match Reply #581 - 10/05/06 at 15:08:34	Post Tools	Print Post
	Yes, it would be a terrible blow and make Topalov the favourite again. It will just be unbearable if he wins. I might have to give up chess again.... Terribly hard for Kramnik especially since psychologically he must have been thinking 'well, OK, they've cheated me but I'm still a point ahead and stand to win'. Now it's 'well, they've cheated me and I should be ahead but I'm not'. So much harder.


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Willempie God Member Offline I love ChessPublishing .com! Posts: 4312 Location: Holland Joined: 01/07/05	Re: Kramnik-Topalov match Reply #580 - 10/05/06 at 15:04:03	Post Tools	Print Post
	I dont see anything to hold. White seems to miss a tempo or two in all 7th rank variations and Rb5 just looks devastating.

	If nothing else works, a total pig-headed unwillingness to look facts in the face will see us through.
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Keano God Member Offline Money doesn't talk, it swears. Posts: 2928 Location: Toulouse Joined: 05/25/05 Gender:	Re: Kramnik-Topalov match Reply #579 - 10/05/06 at 15:03:25	Post Tools	Print Post
	This is going to be a painful defeat for Kramnik to take having had the White pieces. It will be interesting to see how he reacts, set for an interesting finish as Toppy usually gets stronger with a bit of momentum...


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Keano God Member Offline Money doesn't talk, it swears. Posts: 2928 Location: Toulouse Joined: 05/25/05 Gender:	Re: Kramnik-Topalov match Reply #578 - 10/05/06 at 14:58:01	Post Tools	Print Post
	Presumably Rc1 was a big mistake, allowing ...Kd6 to come.


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Keano God Member Offline Money doesn't talk, it swears. Posts: 2928 Location: Toulouse Joined: 05/25/05 Gender:	Re: Kramnik-Topalov match Reply #577 - 10/05/06 at 14:55:18	Post Tools	Print Post
	And if Rg7, then presumably ...Rb8 is a trivial win also, it looks like its a simple win now


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IMJohnCox God Member Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 1551 Location: London Joined: 01/28/06 Gender:	Re: Kramnik-Topalov match Reply #576 - 10/05/06 at 14:53:42	Post Tools	Print Post
	.Kxg3,Nc5 42.Rb5,Ne4+ 43.Kf3,Rg8 44.Rxa5,Rg3+ 45.Ke2,Rxe3+ 46.Kf1,Rxb3 (-+) is what they're saying, apparently. 41 Rb5 was forced, I hear. That line does look pretty grim, too. Striking the power of the rook and knights in combination. Maybe Topalov was right to keep that rook back around ...Rc8/...Ra8. Normally of course you do want to keep one rook in these positions with minor piece/pieces against a rook.


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Willempie God Member Offline I love ChessPublishing .com! Posts: 4312 Location: Holland Joined: 01/07/05	Re: Kramnik-Topalov match Reply #575 - 10/05/06 at 14:51:58	Post Tools	Print Post
	Keano wrote on 10/05/06 at 14:50:10: What about ...Nc5 -e4+ followed by ..Rg8 That looks devastating at first sight. The first winning pawn sac of Topalov this match?

	If nothing else works, a total pig-headed unwillingness to look facts in the face will see us through.
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