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Topalov wins    
  23 (29.1%)
Kramnik wins    
  37 (46.8%)
Draw    
  2 (2.5%)
Match gets cancelled    
  17 (21.5%)
other?...    
  0 (0.0%)




Total votes: 79
« Created by: OstapBender on: 05/25/06 at 17:35:43 »
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Re: Kramnik-Topalov match
Reply #604 - 10/05/06 at 16:47:36
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I think this really calls for a celebration indeed! Now ..... the chances are good that we will see some good fighting games from now on as both players will now come out & play for wins! Lets face it..... after Drawnik was 2-0 up he wasnt doing much else but playing for draws & forcing exchanges & hoping to catch some televised footie asap! Now begins the make or break part of the match & for both players.

Neither do i want to get embroiled in all this Topa-Krammo controversies abt who's right, whos wrong & what nots. We can argue till the cows come home & nothing will change over there. The perspective which I speak in the above paragraph is only on chessic terms only. May the best player win!
  

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Reply #603 - 10/05/06 at 16:30:38
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Is there a rest day now? I think Kramnik could do with it...the next 4 games should be fascinating - really looking forward to it. I think there are still plenty of twists and turns left in this match...but Kramniks reaction to defeat is going to be critical
  
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Reply #602 - 10/05/06 at 16:16:27
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Klick wrote on 10/05/06 at 16:00:26:
I second that OstapBender. I would hate to see Topalov win this match. He is not worthy as a sportsman. The whole thing has made me embarassed to be a chessplayer. 

All other things aside, Black played a nice game today. I wonder if it was correct to go into that ending with 2 rooks+pawn vs. 2 knights.

Indeed, Topalov played a great game.  Kramnik was outplayed and lost deservingly.  As I said earlier, had the circumstances been different I would have found it to be a thoroughly enjoyable game.
  

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Reply #601 - 10/05/06 at 16:12:19
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Why Markovich, how obtuse!  Is it deliberate?
  

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Reply #600 - 10/05/06 at 16:11:32
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Please move along to the toilet-thread!
  

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Reply #599 - 10/05/06 at 16:08:57
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OstapBender wrote on 10/05/06 at 15:54:18:
Plainly this is a travesty!  I don't care if Topalov goes +2 or better in the last 4 games; he will never deserve to be World Champion after the crap he pulled earlier in the match.

The only thing that made the end of this match tolerable was the apparent likelihood that Topalov would not be able to win a game (not legitimately, anyway).  Had Topalov come back from his -2 deficit through his over the board prowess, it's be a different story of course.  As it is, he has permanently tarnished his reputation.  Unless Kramnik wins, the World Championship situation will be even worse than it was before this reunification match.

Congratulations FIDE!


I can assure you that if Topalov finishes +2 or better, Kramnik's case will never be heard in court.  However, I don't expect that Topalov will press very hard to make +2 happen, once (hypothetically) he is +1.  Why gamble, given that Kramnik's chances in court are slight (so I opine, at any rate)?

Indeed, I suspect that the chances of Kramnik's case being heard at all are rather slight, irrespective of Topalov's hypothetical margin of victory.
  

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Reply #598 - 10/05/06 at 16:03:28
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castlerock wrote on 10/05/06 at 15:26:22:
What a sad day for chess!


Why, because someone you don't like won a game of chess?
  

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Reply #597 - 10/05/06 at 16:03:15
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I wouldnt go that far, obviously the whole thing is distasteful - and Danailov should be investigated by FIDE ethics commission (if there is one  Huh)  His latest press release about Fritz is arguably more damaging than the earlier official appeal.

However I still admire Topalov as a chess player, and IF he wins the match (which is a big if) I believe he is a worthy World Champion. I think we have to concentrate on the chess, which admittedly is difficult with Danailov spouting away in the background.

Incidentally I believe somehow the Danailov tactics may be getting to Kramnik as if you look at the pictures today in the official site Kramnik looks worn down and dishevelled for todays game, whereas Topalov looks completely focussed as always. 

I dont know if this is possible but for team Kramnik they should try and isolate their man from all these goings on and let him concentrate only on the chess, I would even withdraw him from the press conferences if that is possible.
  
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Reply #596 - 10/05/06 at 16:00:26
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I second that OstapBender. I would hate to see Topalov win this match. He is not worthy as a sportsman. The whole thing has made me embarassed to be a chessplayer. 

All other things aside, Black played a nice game today. I wonder if it was correct to go into that ending with 2 rooks+pawn vs. 2 knights.
  

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Reply #595 - 10/05/06 at 15:54:18
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Plainly this is a travesty!  I don't care if Topalov goes +2 or better in the last 4 games; he will never deserve to be World Champion after the crap he pulled earlier in the match.

The only thing that made the end of this match tolerable was the apparent likelihood that Topalov would not be able to win a game (not legitimately, anyway).  Had Topalov come back from his -2 deficit through his over the board prowess, it's be a different story of course.  As it is, he has permanently tarnished his reputation.  Unless Kramnik wins, the World Championship situation will be even worse than it was before this reunification match.

Congratulations FIDE!
  

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Reply #594 - 10/05/06 at 15:47:23
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What about the opening in todays game? Something obviously went badly wrong in Kramniks prep surely? He cant have deliberately gone in for that sequence...
  
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Reply #593 - 10/05/06 at 15:35:19
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4 games left, 2 Whites and 2 Blacks eache, so theoretically it is anybodys match, and Kramnik proved against Leko that he can come back from -1 even as late as the last game.

But...Topalov has momentum now and confidence, and these are 2 dangerous things once he gets them - also traditionally he is a strong finisher...
  
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Reply #592 - 10/05/06 at 15:32:15
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Oh dear. How depressing. I very much fear this is the end. Of course the match is still level but it will take an incredible effort by Kramnik now.

Impossible even to think of this toerag as World Champion.
  
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Reply #591 - 10/05/06 at 15:28:44
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Kramnik better resign before he gets mated  Huh

Edit --OK, finally...
  
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Reply #590 - 10/05/06 at 15:26:22
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What a sad day for chess!
  

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