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Topalov wins    
  23 (29.1%)
Kramnik wins    
  37 (46.8%)
Draw    
  2 (2.5%)
Match gets cancelled    
  17 (21.5%)
other?...    
  0 (0.0%)




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Re: Kramnik-Topalov match
Reply #754 - 10/07/06 at 15:36:14
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9.g3 was a novelty.

I thought 8.a3 looked like a new move.  It's been played before?
  

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Reply #753 - 10/07/06 at 15:12:04
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9.g3 was a novelty. After that black was on his own. White's advantage didnt seem
very decisive, but I think that black's attempt to offer exchanges backfired rather 
badly (Nh7 for instance). Again T outmanoevred K.
  
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Reply #752 - 10/07/06 at 15:10:59
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Yes, the 6.Nh4 idea had already been reasonably popular amongst GM's, but I suspect that now this treatment will become even more so...
  
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Reply #751 - 10/07/06 at 15:07:32
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having played the Slav/SemiSlav all my life, never occured to me to try the Black side of 3. Nf3 Nf6 4. e3 Bf5 5. Nc3 e6 6. Nh4! .. giving up two bishops and getting a weakened pawn structure for absolutely zero compensation is not a good deal at all.. Undecided
Perhaps Kramnik should have tried 3. Nf3 Nf6 4. e3 Bg4!? which is slightly less-explored and continues the match theme of offbeat-Slav lines. maybe Black is not completely equal there either, but there is room for specific targeted preparation.

  
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Reply #750 - 10/07/06 at 15:00:39
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Like I said before this game, you won't see any more dirty tricks because they've done their work.
  
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Re: Kramnik-Topalov match
Reply #749 - 10/07/06 at 14:59:28
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Of course Topalov had a chance at 1-3, but whether he'd have done it we'll never know.

It's not a question of regaining focus. Kramnik hasn't got the energy - he's spent it, and there's nothing you can do about that.
  
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Re: Kramnik-Topalov match
Reply #748 - 10/07/06 at 14:58:30
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chessy wrote on 10/07/06 at 14:30:05:
terrible opening play by kramnik. suicidal!


I thought so too. The game was won in the opening itself. The rest of the game, Kramnik spent playing a difficult or rather an inferior posn. Sounds veryvery familiar all of a sudden!! Embarrassed
  

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Reply #747 - 10/07/06 at 14:58:24
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I think you misinterpret my comment - I have said time and again I condemn Danailovs actions. I am saying it is up to the Kramnik team to isolate him from press releases etc. (something I think they should have done earlier) and protect their man more. It is clear that the Danailov tactics have had some distracting effect on him, since he had to deal with questions in a press conference related to the Fritz percentages press release - kramnk should never have been put in this position by his team (my opinion). Also as someone said earlier (TopNotch I think) the biggest mistake in the match was made by the Appeals committee, but we wont go through that whole discussion again, I am just trying to be constructive in how Kramnik should handle this situation - you can be sure he himself will not have given up yet!
  
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Re: Kramnik-Topalov match
Reply #746 - 10/07/06 at 14:52:22
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Keano wrote on 10/07/06 at 14:44:20:
I would suggest on the contrary. It was naive to suggest at 2-0 down with 10 games to go and having pushed in both those games to win that Topalov had no chance (as I believe TopNotch and a few others claimed).

I think it is also naive to suggest that 1 point down with 3 games to come and 2 Whites that Kramnik has not got a chance to comeback.

My personal opinion is that Topalov will win, but I am not writing Kramnik off by any means - he has to rise to the occasion though that is for sure, and concentrate solely on the chess.  It is up to his team and those around him to help him in this.

Up to his team?  You mean like it was up to Topalov's team to help him rebound from 0-2?  C'mon, just drop the Topalov fought back so Kramnik can too rhetoric.  It's a bit too much to swallow.  Topalov played some strong games, but you can't legitimize his comeback - even to yourself I expect.
  

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Re: Kramnik-Topalov match
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I would suggest on the contrary. It was naive to suggest at 2-0 down with 10 games to go and having pushed in both those games to win that Topalov had no chance (as I believe TopNotch and a few others claimed).

I think it is also naive to suggest that 1 point down with 3 games to come and 2 Whites that Kramnik has not got a chance to comeback. Talking psychology is all very well but it is up to Kramnik now to reverse the psychology - especially the last couple of games may be very nervy. He left it to the last game against Leko.

Remember Karpov-Kasparov World ch match - karpov won the penultimate game and just needed a draw in the last game. Kasparov must have been devastated but he came back and beat Karpov, a man who rarely loses, in the very last game.

My personal opinion is that Topalov will win, but I am not writing Kramnik off by any means - he has to rise to the occasion though that is for sure, and concentrate solely on the chess. It is up to his team and those around him to help him in this.
  
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Re: Kramnik-Topalov match
Reply #744 - 10/07/06 at 14:40:00
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Sad day - clearly this is over. I predicted it but still I'm sad. Kramnik has completely gone; he just spent too much energy on the nonsense.

Topalov played well today; interesting new opening idea and consistent plan afterwards, but Kramnik was unrecognisable.

We're going to have a cheat for World Champion - there's no other word for Topalov's behaviour - and we still won't know who was the better player.

Never mind, at least this is the last world champsionship match we'll ever see (less the Radjabov freak show) so at least we won't have to put up with this sort of thing again.

The only interest for me in the rest of the match is whether Kramnik will choose to resign it or not.
  
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Re: Kramnik-Topalov match
Reply #743 - 10/07/06 at 14:36:39
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Keano wrote on 10/07/06 at 14:28:37:
Well I suppose Kramnik has to somehow keep positive - he has 2 Whites to come, and he was in this situation against Leko.


Based on last two games, to say that Kramnik has any chance of rebounding sounds a bit naive (or disingenuous).  It is plainly apparent that, psychologically, Kramnik is defeated.  A shame as it would have been heroic indeed had he managed to hold his lead and win the match.
  

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Reply #742 - 10/07/06 at 14:32:54
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Well the pattern of the match has been that kramnik has been out-prepared in the opening (with a few exceptions), but this time it really went pear-shaped! Who said earlier the ...Bf5 line was a solid equalizer  Wink
  
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Re: Kramnik-Topalov match
Reply #741 - 10/07/06 at 14:30:05
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terrible opening play by kramnik. suicidal!
  
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Re: Kramnik-Topalov match
Reply #740 - 10/07/06 at 14:28:37
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Well I suppose Kramnik has to somehow keep positive - he has 2 Whites to come, and he was in this situation against Leko.

The difference though is that Topalov in my opinion is a different proposition to Leko, tougher mentally, and especially once he picks up momentum like this is going to be tough to catch.
  
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