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Topalov wins 23 (29.1%) Kramnik wins 37 (46.8%) Draw 2 (2.5%) Match gets cancelled 17 (21.5%) other?... 0 (0.0%) Total votes: 79 « Created by: OstapBender on: 05/25/06 at 17:35:43 »

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Kramnik-Topalov match (Read 89340 times)

micawber God Member Offline like many sneaks and skunks in history he's a poet Posts: 852 Location: Netherlands Joined: 09/07/05 Gender:	Re: Kramnik-Topalov match Reply #859 - 10/10/06 at 13:53:08	Post Tools	Print Post
	I would have made another bet: 90% Draw 9% Topalov 1%Kramnik. Even if the f-pawn should fall, Kramnik will hardly be in a position to convert an extra pawn against the bishop pair.


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OstapBender God Member Offline There is no spoon. Posts: 1491 Location: not in Kansas anymore Joined: 10/16/04	Re: Kramnik-Topalov match Reply #858 - 10/10/06 at 13:48:52	Post Tools	Print Post
	From playchess.com server: Quote: GM Tyomkin says: " Kramnik is definitely safe here, my betting line is 90% for the draw, 9% for Kramnik's win and 1% for Topalov's win [Danailov locks Kramnik in WC].)

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IMJohnCox God Member Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 1551 Location: London Joined: 01/28/06 Gender:	Re: Kramnik-Topalov match Reply #857 - 10/10/06 at 13:46:26	Post Tools	Print Post
	Not sure where Topalov's going with this. f5 doesn't seem to be getting much approval. Let's hope for some Sofia Rules overpressing - it's the sort of position where that can happen if you're not careful. Castlerock, does that mean if Anand has children they'd be Anand Something? So there's no 'family' name carried down from generation to generation (beyond one generation, that is).


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IMJohnCox God Member Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 1551 Location: London Joined: 01/28/06 Gender:	Re: Kramnik-Topalov match Reply #856 - 10/10/06 at 13:26:52	Post Tools	Print Post
	Definitely predicting a draw here - big relief after a quick glance in the opening saw Kramnik repeating this and Topalov with another new plan. I guess the good thing about repeating openings is you get to see the guy's second-best plan, whereas a new opening you may get his best one!


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Willempie God Member Offline I love ChessPublishing .com! Posts: 4312 Location: Holland Joined: 01/07/05	Re: Kramnik-Topalov match Reply #855 - 10/10/06 at 13:12:35	Post Tools	Print Post
	26 g4 it is starting to look like some pressure.

	If nothing else works, a total pig-headed unwillingness to look facts in the face will see us through.
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Willempie God Member Offline I love ChessPublishing .com! Posts: 4312 Location: Holland Joined: 01/07/05	Re: Kramnik-Topalov match Reply #854 - 10/10/06 at 12:55:50	Post Tools	Print Post
	f1?

	If nothing else works, a total pig-headed unwillingness to look facts in the face will see us through.
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OstapBender God Member Offline There is no spoon. Posts: 1491 Location: not in Kansas anymore Joined: 10/16/04	Re: Kramnik-Topalov match Reply #853 - 10/10/06 at 12:50:14	Post Tools	Print Post
	23...Ra4 played with threat ...Bxc5. Where does White's bishop go?

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Willempie God Member Offline I love ChessPublishing .com! Posts: 4312 Location: Holland Joined: 01/07/05	Re: Kramnik-Topalov match Reply #852 - 10/10/06 at 12:49:45	Post Tools	Print Post
	So how is black going to challenge the d-file?

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OstapBender God Member Offline There is no spoon. Posts: 1491 Location: not in Kansas anymore Joined: 10/16/04	Re: Kramnik-Topalov match Reply #851 - 10/10/06 at 12:46:50	Post Tools	Print Post
	Some comments from Rowson at the playchess.com server: Quote: Rowson (Observers): Draw 75%, T win 7% K win 15%, D-factor 3% (Danailov has been quiet for the last few days) Rowson (Observers): If needs be, Black can even park the knight on b5 because White risks being worse if he takes, and if he doesn't the hops to a3 and c3 could be annoying

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Keano God Member Offline Money doesn't talk, it swears. Posts: 2928 Location: Toulouse Joined: 05/25/05 Gender:	Re: Kramnik-Topalov match Reply #850 - 10/10/06 at 12:43:59	Post Tools	Print Post
	I would have thought White can still squeeze here with the two bishops, but he has to be careful not to allow tricks with the Knight. Still its a pleasant position to be able to play for White, a good test for Kramnik now of how well he is playing - if he has assessed this correctly and draws comfortably I will be impressed. I am off to lunch now so hopefully by time I come back all will be resolved


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MarinFan Senior Member Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 447 Location: Leeds Joined: 04/04/06 Gender:	Re: Kramnik-Topalov match Reply #849 - 10/10/06 at 12:41:36	Post Tools	Print Post
	White is better if anyone in the endgame, but think black should hold quite easily. Can't see how white can make progress, without allowing large numbers of pawns to be exchanged.


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Willempie God Member Offline I love ChessPublishing .com! Posts: 4312 Location: Holland Joined: 01/07/05	Re: Kramnik-Topalov match Reply #848 - 10/10/06 at 12:41:34	Post Tools	Print Post
	hmm this looks rather nasty for black. Of course Kramnik's endgame is slightly better than mine so it may be that he holds easily, but I dont see it.

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OstapBender God Member Offline There is no spoon. Posts: 1491 Location: not in Kansas anymore Joined: 10/16/04	Re: Kramnik-Topalov match Reply #847 - 10/10/06 at 12:41:03	Post Tools	Print Post
	Hmm... I didn't expect the endgame to begin with 22...0-0. Again I think White might have a slight edge (bishop pair/pawn structure), but it doesn't look like much. Black's control of the a-file and the knight at d4 look like good assets. Game not over yet, but I expect a draw here.

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Willempie God Member Offline I love ChessPublishing .com! Posts: 4312 Location: Holland Joined: 01/07/05	Re: Kramnik-Topalov match Reply #846 - 10/10/06 at 12:39:36	Post Tools	Print Post
	MarinFan wrote on 10/10/06 at 12:13:59: It was atually a different Nh4 line, in pure slav. (Excuse me if was just being jokey). I was jokey, but of course I never pay much attention to such minor details as a different 4th move

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Keano God Member Offline Money doesn't talk, it swears. Posts: 2928 Location: Toulouse Joined: 05/25/05 Gender:	Re: Kramnik-Topalov match Reply #845 - 10/10/06 at 12:33:26	Post Tools	Print Post
	wow 18...Ne4, I would have thought on principle not to open up the position for the 2 bishops, but maybe Kramnik has assesed the position as OK for him, or maybe he just didnt like allowing f4-f5


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