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Topalov wins    
  23 (29.1%)
Kramnik wins    
  37 (46.8%)
Draw    
  2 (2.5%)
Match gets cancelled    
  17 (21.5%)
other?...    
  0 (0.0%)




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Re: Kramnik-Topalov match
Reply #109 - 09/24/06 at 17:10:12
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Oh my, what an entertaining game, despite of the grave mistakes. Kramnik - Topalov = 2 - 0 after first two games. This will be hard for Topalov, especially considering he has been better in both games.

Hard to say StuntLinguis, I was surprised that Topalov didn't find the win after Rxg4+.
  

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Re: Kramnik-Topalov match
Reply #108 - 09/24/06 at 17:08:32
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Absolutely unbelievable! How does Topalov continue to self-destruct? Several tactical mistakes and he's down 0-2. We know he's not going to outplay kramnik positionally, so this really does not bode well for toppy. Anybody have a guess as to what could be going on here? Is it really just nerves?

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Re: Kramnik-Topalov match
Reply #107 - 09/24/06 at 14:23:06
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Game 2: Topalov strikes back.

Topalov attacked brilliantly and Kramnik is in serious trouble.  Looks like the match score will be 1-1.

A couple of odd-looking (inaccurate?) moves just made: 31...Bxf8 and 32.Qg6+.  31...Kxf8 looked more resilient, but probably not enough to save the game.  After 31...Bxf8 it looked like 32.Rxg4+ should have won quickly.  32.Qxg6 (preceived to be safer?) should still win, though.


after 28...Rxb2


there followed 29.hxg6 h5 30.g7 hxg4 31.gxf8Q+ Bxf8(?)


after 31...Bxf8(?)


and here doesn't 32.Rxg4+ (intending 33.Qc7) win immediately?

Update: Topalov has self-destructed — again!  Looks like we might be heading for a bishop (White) vs. three pawns (Black) ending where I'm not sure if White will have realistic winning chances.  Even if Topalov can win this (seems doubtful now), it's going to be a lot more difficult than it would have been had he played accurately earlier.  What's going on with Topalov?  Nerves?

Update: Topalov now fighting to hold a draw.  Kramnik should win but would be happy with a draw so that might be the outcome.  Be tragic for Topalov if he goes 0-2 in a pair of games where he should have gotten 1.5 pts.


after 45...Bf8

Can White survive?


Update: In the following endgame position there was some discussion suggesting that White might have drawing chances, but I find this difficult to believe.  Perhaps an interesting point of discussion for endgame fans.

after 53...Re1

assessment?

Kramnik won ten moves later:
54.d5 Kf8 55.Ne6+ (55.Kd7!? may be an improvement, but is it enough to make a difference? Then again 55...b5 might be unstoppable here, so maybe not even an improvement.) 55...Ke8 56.Nc7+ Kd8 57.Ne6+ Kc8 (now there is no doubt - Black wins easily) 58.Ke7 Rh1 59.Ng5 b5 60.d6 Rd1 61.Ne6 b4 62.Nc5 Re1+ 63.Kf6 Re3 0-1

Tragic loss for Topalov.  Match score: 2-0 Kramnik
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Re: Kramnik-Topalov match
Reply #106 - 09/24/06 at 12:21:09
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Lately I've come across a number of interesting chess-related articles on the internet.
Latest is that Topalov has operated a Chip in his brain. No wonder he plays so well  Grin
http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=70060
  

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Re: Kramnik-Topalov match
Reply #105 - 09/23/06 at 22:05:51
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Topalov had a pretty much forced draw yet carried on playing a pawn down. I think it was logical for him to carry on playing while he had the forced draw in his pocket, only just to annoy and exhaust Kramnik, but once he allowed white to breathe the play that ensued was unbelievable. It was as if Topalov had put money on Kramnik to win after reaching move x. It would be interesting to see how much money was bet on this game.
  
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Re: Kramnik-Topalov match
Reply #104 - 09/23/06 at 20:57:19
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I think Topalov had the draw in hand right up until his blunder on the 57th move, and he had an edge for most of the stage of the game leading up to this point.  Whether he had realistic winning chances at the point where he first rejected the opportunity to force a draw by repetition (around move 40), I thought it made sense for him to press for a win at that point.

In the end he wound up testing his own stamina — and found it lacking.
  

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Reply #103 - 09/23/06 at 20:26:13
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If yes, this idea rebounced completely. It might be better to test Kramnik's stamina in very complicated positions.
  

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Reply #102 - 09/23/06 at 20:16:06
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I think Toppy may have been pushing too hard for the win. Watching that endgame I can't help but wonder if part of Toppy's strategy is to test Kramnik's stamina by pushing hard for the win no matter what the board position may be!
  
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Re: Kramnik-Topalov match
Reply #101 - 09/23/06 at 19:45:46
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Ha, luck had nothing to do with toppy's loss. I can't help but wonder if he really thought he was better between moves 36 and 43 or if he wanted to wear kramnik down with a longer game? (i.e to try to make kramnik's prior health problems a factor in the match) Maybe that's simply my bias against topalov, since God knows I've overestimated my chances in a number of my own games. Regardless Topalov looked frustrated at not getting the kind of actively imbalanced game he normally seems to like. This will certainly be an interesting match.

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Reply #100 - 09/23/06 at 18:11:49
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Draw should have been the logical result of game 1. Tough luck for Topalov.
  

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Re: Kramnik-Topalov match
Reply #99 - 09/23/06 at 15:02:47
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First game looks like a draw, but with some interesting moments.  I thought Topalov looked a bit better throughout the game. (impression just before time control)

A couple moves later, I'm wondering if Topalov is still striving for a win.  Undecided

Topalov can force the draw at any point, so why not?

For game 1 commentary, see 
http://www.e3e5.com/eng/petersburg/competitions/article.html?241

Anyone know of other sites?  Shipov did a tremendous job with San Luis last year.  I he covering the WCh at ChessPro?

Update: Topalov blundered (57...f5??) and lost (or will lose soon).  Strange finish.


after 57.Ra4
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Re: Kramnik-Topalov match
Reply #98 - 09/23/06 at 09:57:18
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One cannot get there (top 3) without exceptional talent. But, SF has a very valid point. Virtually entire of Aronian’s last 150 came out of his good showing in League, Team Championships and strong opens. His exposure to big boys is pretty limited. (Just two. Linares 2006 and Corus 2006, iirc). Hence, I too feel, Aronian doesn’t deserve to be compared with KKAT in the context of a world championship, as yet.

That said, I also feel, he is going to cement his place up there effortlessly. Should we say “Aronian – the first Maverick in top three?”
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Re  the topic I'm rooting for Kramnik. Go Kramnik!
  

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Re: Kramnik-Topalov match
Reply #97 - 09/23/06 at 08:27:50
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Ostap, 

Yes, Aronian is a talented young GM, but he has only been in the top 10 in the world for a year, and of all the big names I certainly wouldn't have guessed he would be the #3 player in the world for two supplements in a row.  He was an unlikely choice for me, especially knowing that he was barely even in the top 100 only two or three years ago.

In my opinion, his standing is the most flimsy of the top seven or so players, just as Svidler's was a year ago.  We'll see though.

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Re: Kramnik-Topalov match
Reply #96 - 09/22/06 at 23:14:46
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The time for talk is over. The rather perverse opening ceremony is done & Kramnik will have white in game 1. I would be very surprised if this match goes smoothly without any controversy. Time will tell....start the clocks & lets see who will be the one and only world champ!!!
  
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Re: Kramnik-Topalov match
Reply #95 - 09/20/06 at 09:29:36
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3 of those SF mentioned will play at Corus, I'll leave it to you which isnt (hopefully he will)
  

If nothing else works, a total pig-headed unwillingness to look facts in the face will see us through.
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