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Re: 1.f4 c5
Reply #8 - 06/17/06 at 21:40:48
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As soon as White plays 3.e4  This is no longer a Bird.  This is a Grand Prix attack.  This belongs to the Anti-Sicilians.  And of course this proves that 1... c5 is a great choice to play vs 1.f4, if you are a Sicilian player, like me and many many others.
  

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Re: 1.f4 c5
Reply #7 - 06/17/06 at 20:44:58
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Which only proves, that White should play 3.e4, as I have mentioned in my first post. Or 2...Nf6 3.d3, see also above.
So I am looking forward to your recommendation after these White options.
  

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Re: 1.f4 c5
Reply #6 - 06/17/06 at 16:47:25
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The reversed english or the sicilian set-up vs the Bird is a great and a world class approach.  The English is particularly effective vs the Dutch.  Black, with a tempo less, vs the Bird, still has a promising game.  I will discuss below a little less known line vs the Bird with an early b3 by White.

1. f4 c5 
2. Nf3 Nc6 
3. b3 g6 

(3... Nf6 4. Bb2
g6 {this is another option}) 

4. Bb2 Nf6 
5. e4

(5. Bxf6 exf6 6. e4 (6. e3 Bg7 7.Nc3 d5) 6... d5 7. exd5 Qxd5 8. Nc3 Qd6 Black looks in good shape) 

(5. e3 Bg7 6. Be2 (6. d3 d6 7. Be2 O-O) (6. c4 O-O 7. Be2 d6 8.
O-O e5 9. fxe5 Ng4) 6... O-O 7. O-O d6 8. h3 Qc7 9. d4) 

5... Bg7 
6. d3  O-O 
7. Nc3 d5 

(7... d6 this is possible too )

8. Nxd5 Nxd5 
9. Bxg7  Kxg7 
10. exd5 Qxd5 

  

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Re: 1.f4 c5
Reply #5 - 06/16/06 at 03:15:29
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I don't like the queen's fianchetto in the Dutch very much - here I disagree with all experts. So nobody will be amazed that I will not recommend 1.f4 c5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.b3 either. White has done badly in practice.
Most flexible is 1.f4 c5 2.Nf3 Nf6 (this is a light concession - if play transposes to the Closed Sicilian, Black cannot play the important setups with Nge7 anymore) 3.d3 "threatens" 4.e4. Black either has to play 3...d5, after which White still can chose between the Classical 4.e3 and the Bird Leningrad 4.g3, or something else.
After both 3.d3 g6 and 3.d3 Nc6 White will play 4.e4 of course. He still has the choice of developing the bishop to e2 or to g2. The latter, like Black Widow wrote in his first post, is likely to transpose to the Closed Sicilian. White has avoided the setups with e6/Nge7 and e5/Nge7, which are considered best for Black. If White choses to play Be2, than he might take some benefit of having the move c2-c3 available.
3.d3 e6 4.e4 leads to a position of the GPA, that has been played by a few strong players.
  

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Re: 1.f4 c5
Reply #4 - 06/15/06 at 10:17:39
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If black plays an early Nf6, then white can transpose to the closed as follows: 1. f4 c5 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. g3 g6 4. Bg2 Bg7 5. O-O O-O 6. d3 Nc6 {..d5 gives a Leningrad Bird} 7. e4 d6 8. Nc3 Rb8 9. h3, etc. Although probably equal, this line plays easily for white. 

You could also try: 3. b3 Like: 1. f4 c5 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. b3 g6 { .. e6 is what you would prefer} 4. Bb2 Bg7 5. e3 O-O 6. Be2 d5 7. O-O Nc6 8. Ne5 Nxe5 9. fxe5, which gives interesting play.

Or have a look at: http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1149810647


  
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Re: 1.f4 c5
Reply #3 - 06/15/06 at 06:19:15
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The Bird move order gives White two extra options. 
1.f4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.e4 g6 4.Bb5!? Bg7 5.Bxc6 bxc6 6.d3 and White still has the choice between Nc3 and c4. 
Or 4.Be2 Bg7 5.o-o and White still might play c2-c3 at some stage. 


What if Black plays Nf6 sooner? E.g. 1.f4 Nf6 2.Nf3 c5. Then White needs to place either a Knight on c3 or the d-pawn at d3 in order to play e4.
  
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Re: 1.f4 c5
Reply #2 - 06/15/06 at 02:03:35
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For a while I have been interested in the GPA against the Sicilian: 1.e4 c5 2.Nc3 Nc6 3.f4 g6 4.Nf3 Bg7 5.Be2. The idea was to get a Dutch IZ with two extra tempi. It did not work: d6 6.d3 e6 7.o-o Nge7 8.Qe1 o-o 9.Bd1 Nd4 and Black is already equal.

The Bird move order gives White two extra options.
1.f4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.e4 g6 4.Bb5!? Bg7 5.Bxc6 bxc6 6.d3 and White still has the choice between Nc3 and c4.
Or 4.Be2 Bg7 5.o-o and White still might play c2-c3 at some stage.
Black should not deviate with3...d5?! 4.exd5 Qxd5 5.Nc3 Qd8 6.Bb5!
I don't know about 3...e6 though. Gary Lane in his book on the GPA only suggests the transposition to 1.e4 c5 2.Nc3 Nc6 3.f4 e6 4.Nf3 d5 5.Bb5.
  

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Re: 1.f4 c5
Reply #1 - 06/14/06 at 08:10:32
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If you do not mind to play the Leningrad Bird, then you can also play the closed sicilian, with a nice extra option. Since the Night on b1 can be hold back for some time, for example:

1. f4 c5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. g3 g6 4. Bg2 Bg7 5. e4 e6 6. d3 Nge7 7. O-O d6 8. c3!? This is a comfortable line for white, known as the Big Clamp. Many Black players will play this, since they hope for Nc3, so they are back in well known theory.

If Black plays the Night to f6, then I still would prefer the White Night on c3.

  
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1.f4 c5
06/14/06 at 06:51:20
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What should White play when faced with Sicilian type setups against 1. f4?

T.Taylor's suggestion (GP with Be2)?
Proper GP (with Bc4 or Bb5)?
Staying true to the Bird and play e3-lines?

Any ideas?

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