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Re: Informant.
Reply #21 - 06/22/06 at 11:55:13
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Naturally, I think my own repertoire needs to be given more attention on Chesspublishing  Smiley

Technically, I guess I agree with Inn2, but topical for whom?  Judging by the forum, there are very few Caro-Kann players and lots of advocates of the Scandinavian and the Alekhine, and I don't hear them complaining about the coverage.  Obviously, it would be great to have a separate Caro-Kann section (I know, I know), but I can live with sharing so long as the overall coverage at least attempts to tackle the topical lines and the e-book gets filled in...
  

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Reply #20 - 06/22/06 at 02:56:40
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Hello, i think (not sure rightly or wrongly) that an opening in each section should be given as much coverage in proportion to its theoretical status and topicality. So for example, Olivier should give priority to the main Ruy (especially Anti-Marshall/Marshall systems), Prie should focus most on the Tromp, Flear should give priority to the Grunfeld, Rowson should focus on 3. Bb5 or 2. c3, and Martin should give priority to the Caro-Kann. i don't know if others feel the same way, but think this is perfectly logical, the strongest players will be happy, and the weaker players will want to learn to play the real stuff anyway (otherwise why subscribe to a "theory" site!?). Martin's annotations/writing style is fine with me, he was a godsend back when i was 1800. Hundreds of points later i no longer treat him seriously but still find him entertaining and still read his work.
  
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Reply #19 - 06/22/06 at 00:58:48
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1 e4 ... is a huge topic, but the Caro coverage is light.  I'm not sure I can improve on Inn2's comments, but I certainly second his criticisms and strongly agree that the Short Variation of the Advance is poor (it's the last part of it I remember looking at and not finding what I was looking for in more than a couple of lines).  It's an important variation with very little coverage and no suggestion of the key lines.  In general, though, I've stopped using the e-book as a resource, because it's inferior to most books, many of which are out of date themselves.  There's a lot of offbeat stuff, but most Caro-Kann players are less interested in offbeat ideas and aren't particularly interested in transposing to the Scandinavian.  We may like our cardies and tea, but we also want a solid defense to 1 e4...
  

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Reply #18 - 06/21/06 at 16:39:29
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You are fairly up on the current critical Caro-Kann stuff there Inn2, I must admit I find Andy´s style a bit more aimed towards the average club player in that he tends to generalize a lot and not go into the nitty gritty. This can be great for some people but for myself I find it very annoying at times. In his defence that is a very big section of defences he is supposed to be looking after...
  
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Reply #17 - 06/21/06 at 15:18:36
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JEH wrote on 06/21/06 at 11:58:01:

The ones that make the defence look playable  Wink


correction! that should read "the ones that make the defence playable".
think the complaint is the c-k is not up to date with the real critical lines, instead we tend to get more coverage of offbeat stuff. Compare to Volzhin for example, who used to focus more on critical theory. 

suggestions: 

Advance-
Georgian Advance system:  4. Be3/ 4. Nd2 in both cases intending Nd2-b3. sometimes with waiting move Be2 before playing Nf3, preserving option of f4 etc. Very rich in nuances not discussed by Martin. Played by Malakhov and Zviagintsev. Both known for playing offbeat stuff which are surprinsgly devastating. 

Short System 5. Be2 Nd7 6. 0-0 Bg6 and 6...h6, both almost exclusively played at 2600+ level (Izoria, Pantsulaia, Dreev, Bologan, Morozevich etc), there have been many many games played but very little coverage thus far (only one game each i think!)

3...c5 4. c4! (life and death issue, hope to see Martin make line playable for Black, so far not convinced by what i see in the ebook, but perhaps not Martin's fault!)

Smyslov 4... Nd7- think the incredible Anand-Bologan game with Re1 a few years ago refutes one whole subline, and its not in the ebook if i recall correctly.

Classical 4... Bf5-
11. Bd2: Jobava-Bareev pawn sac, nowadays solution to this problem is known. but is nowhere in the ebook too. 
11. Bf4 Qa5+ 12. Bd2 Bb4: Martin finally covered this in latest update. but he didn't show a terribly theoretically significant game (would consider something like karjakin-mchedishvili, and especially Kritz-Ruck more important for discussion). more games in this line will be welcome as this is a fairly important line of defence.

and these are just off the top of my head! Since c-k section as a whole is already fairly backward, think a good solution is to do a Prie or Olivier, and consider a line intensively each time to bring everything up to date first. 
Then again, maybe not Martin's style though, and maybe not why most people like Martin for!  Undecided
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Re: Informant.
Reply #16 - 06/21/06 at 11:58:01
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GMTonyKosten wrote on 06/21/06 at 10:12:10:
Several people have mentioned that the Caro-Kann coverage is not very good in the past, which particular lines are lacking?


The ones that make the defence look playable  Wink
  

Those who want to go by my perverse footsteps play such pawn structure with fuzzy atypical still strategic orientations

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Reply #15 - 06/21/06 at 10:12:10
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Several people have mentioned that the Caro-Kann coverage is not very good in the past, which particular lines are lacking?
  
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Reply #14 - 06/19/06 at 21:08:05
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A little bit off-topic, but there are a number of openings that seem to get short shrift.  The Caro-Kann is one example.  The e-book borders on useless in many lines.  I appreciate that 1 e4 ... is one of the most diverse sections, but maybe that's an argument for Ruslan's or Eric's approach of concentrating on a particular opening or system.

As far as the analysis goes, I've found myself enjoying the various styles.  John Emms seems to strike a nice balance between descriptive prose and analysis.  One has a very clear idea of what's going on, but the analysis in a number of games is excellent as well...
  

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Reply #13 - 06/19/06 at 18:34:24
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I believe his next one deals with the rest of the Veresov, and the other Tromps have been really well covered by him in the recent past. Smiley
His goal is to gradually cover all the d-Pawn Specials properly, one-by-one. Once finished he will just consider the newest games, but only after having built-up a strong theoretical base.
  
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Reply #12 - 06/19/06 at 16:40:20
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Eric is definitely searching for the absolute truth, and the problem is that a lot of the lesser d-Pawn lines give White no advantage, or even leave him worse. Should any serious opening site gloss over such niceties, or should it be truthful?
I prefer to know whether the line I am thinking of playing has been refuted!


Well, I haven't had the time to look at all his articles, but to sum up I think he was right about the way to play against the London with 2.Bf4; but in the last two on Veresov with 3...Nbd7 4.f3?! and Trompowski with 2...Ne4 3.h4?! I thought he spent a lot of space kicking in open doors. 

Surely the best moves for white should also be noted?! But hopefully he has dealt with 4.e3/4Nf3 and 4.Bf4/4.Bh4 in earlier installations which I haven't gotten around to yet...

I can understand that it may be difficult to find new games with any theoretical value for this section, except for the Tromp. But it could be an idea to provide quick repertoires for both white and black in all the different systems, instead of killing off dubious white alternatives. 

Most white system-players know they can't expect a theoretical edge, but good knowledge of the middlegames they reach, tend to give them a definite edge in practice. Perhaps not on top GM level (though e.g. Jussupow seems to play the Colle-Z occasionally), but definitely on lower levels. Just in Malmö I know a handful of players between 2150-2350 who're practically unbeatable with white when they get their favourite system on the board...
  
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Re: Informant.
Reply #11 - 06/19/06 at 14:55:55
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GMTonyKosten wrote on 06/19/06 at 09:52:29:
Talking about Andy's coverage, I have often wondered whether subscribers prefer his (or, say, Chris Ward's) chatty & verbose style, or deaper anlytical work like Ruslan's, or even Eric's approach, where he tries to establish 'the truth' about each variation, one-by-one, using the important games, even if they have been played many years ago?! Undecided
I guess, different approaches might be appropriate for different openings?

I like the comments in my subscribed sections (Neil, Andy and you), though I wish you would stick to my repertoire entirely Winkguys
  

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Reply #10 - 06/19/06 at 14:25:15
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GMTonyKosten wrote on 06/19/06 at 09:52:29:
Talking about Andy's coverage, I have often wondered whether subscribers prefer his (or, say, Chris Ward's) chatty & verbose style...


GMTonyKosten wrote on 06/19/06 at 13:24:11:
Well this is what I try to aim to do, analyse it in a serious way (especially the opening bit) and yet try not to make the games too dull. It is hard to hit the right balance...


Chris may fall on the verbose end of the scale, but I always thought he generally achieved a pretty good balance between verbal explanation and serious analysis.

Just the same, I guess the sections I like best (Ruslan's for example) have tended to place an emphasis on serious analysis/high information content.
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Reply #9 - 06/19/06 at 13:24:11
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Well this is what I try to aim to do, analyse it in a serious way (especially the opening bit) and yet try not to make the games too dull. It is hard to hit the right balance, especially as the subscribers go from quite weak to super strong GMs! Smiley
I agree that Jonathan could be more specific, but on the other hand the pointers he gives to the best move in a position and the right way to play a line are priceless. I personally find this much, much, more useful than when Gary Lane was doing it.
Eric is definitely searching for the absolute truth, and the problem is that a lot of the lesser d-Pawn lines give White no advantage, or even leave him worse. Should any serious opening site gloss over such niceties, or should it be truthful?
I prefer to know whether the line I am thinking of playing has been refuted!
  
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Reply #8 - 06/19/06 at 11:27:17
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Talking about Andy's coverage, I have often wondered whether subscribers prefer his (or, say, Chris Ward's) chatty & verbose style, or deaper anlytical work like Ruslan's, or even Eric's approach, where he tries to establish 'the truth' about each variation, one-by-one, using the important games, even if they have been played many years ago?! undecided
I guess, different approaches might be appropriate for different openings?


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so nobody really expects tons of variations when Rowson covers 1. e4 c5 2. a3 (or 2. Na3)!


Well, Rowson could be more specific and less chatty at times. For example towards the end of one 2.Na3 game that ends in a draw, he just writes something like 'white could've played better at some point' without indicating where and how!  Angry

Prie seems to have very strong convictions, but his comments strike me as 'black to move and win' - which seems strange since what attracts people to most of the D-pawn specials is the solidity of those openings...

Anyway, I assume that the chesspub readers are a very heterogenous group ratingwise, so a good goal for a writer could be something like including 'explanations for the lower rateds and variations for the higher' but both in moderation...
  
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Reply #7 - 06/19/06 at 10:35:04
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Hello Tony, a very interesting subject for discussion ! maybe you could start a new thread. 
For myself, i tend to prefer deeper analysis so my favourite sections are by Ruslan, Prie and Olivier. But i think a good mix of lesser analysis and more verbal commentary like your own Open Sicilians section and Watson's Flank Openings probably satisfies a wider target audience. Surely its the quality of analysis that counts, not quantity. More important is to suggest possible ways which future theory may develop. 

i agree different openings lend themselves to different types of treatment (ie. 'serious' main lines should be treated 'seriously' ), so nobody really expects tons of variations when Rowson covers 1. e4 c5 2. a3 (or 2. Na3)!
  
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