Gambit wrote on 07/02/06 at 04:40:38:


I hope this means that if you find the lines to be favorable to White, you will still post your findings.  Remember, to be a true champion of an opening, you must first be objective!   

Cheers!

in the d5 line, 7.Nxe5 isn't best though. 7.Nc3 is much stronger. black is just losing here.

Last I checked, 1 e4 e5  2 Nf3 f5  3 Nxe5  Qf6  4 d4 d6  5 Nc4 Nc6  6 e5  de5  7 dxe5  Qf7  was fully playable for Black.

The game WGM Sophie Milliet - Zilbermints, Internet Chess Club, 24 February 2005, continued:

8 Bd3 Be6  9 Qe2 000 10 00 Nd4  11 Qe3 Bxc4 12 Rd1 Bxd3 13 Qxd3 Nc6 14 Qe2 Rxd1+  15 Qxd1 Qd7  16 Qe2 Nd4  17 Qc4 c5
18 Be3 Qe6  19 Qa4  Nc6  20 Nc3 Be7  21 Nb5 a6  22 Nd6+  Bxd6  23 exd6  Qxd6  24 Qc4 Nf6  25 Bxc5 Qd5  26 Qc3 Rd8  27 h3 Kb8  28 Bb6  Rc8  29 Qg3+ Qe5  30 Qxg7 Ne4  31 Qxh7 Qb5  32 Be3 Ka8  33 Rd1 f4  34 Bxf4 Qe2  35 Qd7 Rd8  36 Qxd8+ Nxd8
37 Rxd8+ Ka7  38 Be3+ b6  39 Rd7+  Kb8  40 Rd8+ Kc7  0-1.

As for  6 d5, my response is such:

A. 6...Nce7

7 Nc3  a6  8 a4 g6  9 Be3  Bg7  10 Be2 Qf7  11 Bd4  Nf6  12 e5 Nfd5 13 exd6 Nxc3 14 bxc3 Nc6 15 dxc7 00  16 Nd6 Qd7  17 Bc4+ Kh8  18 Nxc8  Bxd4  19 cxd4 Raxc8  20 d5  Ne5  21 Qd4  Qg7  22 d6 Nf3+  23 gxf3  Qxd4  24 00 Qxc4  25 Rfd1 Qc6  26 Rab1 Rxc7
27 dxc7 Qxc7 28 Rbc1 Rd8  29 c4  Rxd1+  30 Rxd1 Qxc4  31 Rd8  Kg7  32 Rd7+  Kh6  33 Rxb7  Qxa4  34 Kg2  a5  35 Rc7 Qb4  36 Ra7 a4 0-1, Tich - Zilbermints, Internet Chess Club, 26 February 2005

B. 6...Ne5

7 Nxe5 dxe5 8 Bb5+  c6  9 dxc6 bxc6  10 Bc4 f4  11 00 Be6  12 Bxe6  Qxe6  13 f3 Bc5+  14 Kh1 Rd8  15 Qe2 Nf6  16 Nc3 00
17 Na4 Bb6  18 Nxb6  axb6  19 b3  Nh5  20 Ba3  Ng3+  21 hxg3 Qh6+  22 Kg1 fxg3  23 Rf2 Qh2+  24 Kf1 Qh1 #  0-1,
wolfen - Zilbermints, Internet Chess Club, 2005.

I must note that 6...Ne5 would appear to be a very tricky line for Black to play. For example, 7 Nxe5 Qxe5  8 Bb5+ Bd7  9 Bxd7 Kxd7 10 Nc3 Nf6! play becomes very sharp. Black's King is somewhat stuck in the center, but is relatively safe behind the pawns.
After 10 Nc3 Nf6 11 f4 Qe7  12 00 fxe4 13 Qe2 Re8  14 Qb5 Kb8 (14 Re1 g6 15 Qe3 b6 16 h3 Bg7) and it is not clear who is better here. Black can develop with g6-Bg7, connecting the Rooks.  

But this still needs to be explored further. I intend to do so both in Internet Chess Club games and regular OTB tournaments.

Lev: I'm sick and on some quite powerful antibiotics and not in the mood for your nonsense.  I am really one of the last people you need to lecture about free speech.  But the post was obviously on the wrong board and had been put there by your own admission to attract Tony's attention.  Since Tony had posted here, in the right thread on the right board (although only after Willempie moved it), it seemed superfluous.  I am fairly sure my explanation made that clear.

I'm interested in your concept of free speech.  If everybody exercised this right to "free speech" then the forum would become pretty much useless.  Why bother to have different boards for Open Sicilians and 1.e4 e5 at all?  Let's just all post in one big pool of unrelated threads.

It's not immediately obvious to me why it should be that everyone else can post in the right place but you seem to think you have special rights to post wherever you like about anything you like.   
If you want to make an idiot of yourself over it though, go ahead.  It will bother me not in the least.

MNb wrote on 06/29/06 at 01:18:49:


How about you look up the game  Lora Frisch - Frank Hill,  IECC email, IECC-TH-M 1999? The complete gamescore is available on chesslive.de database.  That game started out:

1 e4 e5  2 Nf3 f5  3 Nxe5 Qf6  4 d4 d6  5 Nc4  Nc6  6 d5

Alumbrado does not really need me to counter LDZ's annoyance. Still I want to give my 2 SRD thoughts. I have read LDZ's post in the Open Sicilian section. It contained some questions to GM Kosten. As far as I can see, LDZ's questions are answered. So LDZ's post has become superfluous. Hence I do not see anything unethical about deleting that post. Maybe my memory deceives me, but I do not recall anything substantial about the Latvian itself. In case I am wrong, I ask LDZ kindly to repost. I am very sure, that Alumrado will leave it. May this serve as satisfaction for LDZ.  
What will LDZ suggest after 6.d5 ?

Note: I have deleted a post on this from Lev in the Open Sicilians section, as it was clearly not the right place for it.  I hope Lev does not mind too much now that he has managed to get Tony's attention!

Regardless of your given variation after 6.e5 (where Black might even have some play for the pawn), after a quick look I do not see any compensation after 6.d5. 

What is Black's idea here?