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Re: Chessbase v Chess Assistant
Reply #42 - 08/28/06 at 18:02:02
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This discussion on pros and cons of different software is quite interesting, but what I really would like to know is: is there a comparable alternative to the ChessBase eBooks (i.e. text with links to the games) out there somewhere?
It seems to me that this is just about the ideal way of keeping track of all the Chess Publishing material, but leaves us reliant on ChessBase (who, amongst other defaults, seem to be averse to answering emails!) and their limited tools.
Could we do all the eBooks in Bookup form instead - Mike Leahy has often asked me to?! Undecided
  
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Reply #41 - 08/14/06 at 16:04:49
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It seems a powerful program, if one can get used to its various features opening up in their own window, which I don't mind. (As a former programmer, I'm well used to seeing this sort of thing in Open Source/GPL software.)


I abominate this aspect of Scid.  The other only open source software of which I am aware that has this problem is "The Gimp."  But it has more justification in such a graphics package, since mouse movements are more or less unavoidable there.  I would like to have chess software with a more keystroke-drive interface, like the window manager Ion or the One True Editor, Emacs.

See here: http://www.modeemi.fi/~tuomov/ion/
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Re: Chessbase v Chess Assistant
Reply #40 - 08/14/06 at 15:59:23
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OstapBender wrote on 08/14/06 at 14:06:30:
GMTonyKosten wrote on 08/12/06 at 10:54:56:
Tip of the day:
If you use CB 9, you should always open Windows Task manager on 'Processes' (in order of CPU usage) first! That way, when CB9 crashes, or simply brings your computer to a complete halt by using 99.9% or your CPU usage, it doesn't take that long to kill it! Shocked

Will control-alt-delete bring this up?  Is there a better way?


Cntl-Alt-Del will bring it up, but it takes CPU just to start the d--n thing.  What he means is, start it up and have it running, so that "all" you need to do is change the focus to the TM window, then kill.  Changing the focus when an app has all your memory can be very slow all by itself, but it should be much faster than starting an app.
  

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Re: Chessbase v Chess Assistant
Reply #39 - 08/14/06 at 14:06:30
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GMTonyKosten wrote on 08/12/06 at 10:54:56:
Tip of the day:
If you use CB 9, you should always open Windows Task manager on 'Processes' (in order of CPU usage) first! That way, when CB9 crashes, or simply brings your computer to a complete halt by using 99.9% or your CPU usage, it doesn't take that long to kill it! Shocked

Will control-alt-delete bring this up?  Is there a better way?
  

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Reply #38 - 08/12/06 at 21:09:21
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They start off in Word and PDF formats! Why not download one and have a look, and if you don't want to subscribe ( Cry ) then there is a free one somewhere on the Guests Info page, I think.
  
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Re: Chessbase v Chess Assistant
Reply #37 - 08/12/06 at 20:33:24
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Greetings Tony,

Does CB generate any Microsoft error messages - in Event Viewer, for example?

As regards playable ebooks...

Can they not be converted into PDF or Word DOC formats?

I confess I don't know how playable ebooks are made.

Is there anything on playable ebooks and how they work - I mean, how the moves are incorporated into them?

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Re: Chessbase v Chess Assistant
Reply #36 - 08/12/06 at 10:54:56
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Tip of the day:
If you use CB 9, you should always open Windows Task manager on 'Processes' (in order of CPU usage) first! That way, when CB9 crashes, or simply brings your computer to a complete halt by using 99.9% or your CPU usage, it doesn't take that long to kill it! Shocked
I would MUCH prefer to make the playable eBooks in a non-proprietary format (i.e. anything but ChessBase) that everyone can use, but what other formats are there? I tried putting them in BookUp form, but wasn't too impressed with the result. Undecided
  
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Re: Chessbase v Chess Assistant
Reply #35 - 07/06/06 at 21:30:24
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Greetings,

As promised - or threatened!  Wink - I just wanted to update all on my progress so far with the various offerings.

First off, CBL didn't install - and I can't get it do so.

It keeps hanging whilst attempting to copy a TTF file to the C:\Windows\System32 folder - I can only assume that one of my security applications isn't happy about it attempting to do so.

And I don't particularly feel like hunting it down - if the Light version of CB is having this much difficulty installing, I shudder to think what the full package would do!

Is it really worth going through all that just to play through "playable PDFs"? Surely, someone can develop something suitable to enable other applications to make use of these? Huh

So, I installed SCID - which went without a single hitch.

It seems a powerful program, if one can get used to its various features opening up in their own window, which I don't mind. (As a former programmer, I'm well used to seeing this sort of thing in Open Source/GPL software.)

I also downloaded Crafty and installed it under Winboard, which I also have, along with GNUChess.

Having assured myself that Crafty worked in Winboard and was superior to the latter chess program, I then set it as the primary engine for analysis. The Engine feature is powerful - I left it overnight analysing a position from one of my older games and it had gone down to some twenty-odd moves by morningtime! (On a 600MHz machine I have to add!)

The Tree feature allows you to explore an opening by playing each move - the possible replies diminish until one is following whatever game is left in your database, in which it occurred.

There are a wealth of reports/graphs which can be displayed along with tournament searches (depending on what actual PGNs you have in your database).

Most importantly, it appears to be transpositional - like Chess Assistant (and BookUp) but not like ChessBase - which in my book is a must!

Having created a few different databases, I've downloaded games, etc., from TWIC and other sites and been able to see how the games developed from the same or similar positions.

One can use Pattern searches to filter (include/exclude) various games based on positions, etc - IQP (various), Rook sacrifices on c3(!), castling (same/opposite sides), etc., with further ways to refine the filter.

A very useful feature for d-pawn and Sicilian players!

The filter then enables you to show any of the filtered games which automatically open at the matching position - IQP, rook sacrifice, etc.

I will have to try BookUp next - it will be interesting to see how well it works in tandem with SCID. Amongst the PGNs I downloaded was various ECO openings, which I want to check/train upon in BookUp.

Thanks again, katar  Grin

Kindest regards,

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Re: Chessbase v Chess Assistant
Reply #34 - 07/06/06 at 21:13:33
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Thanks Markovich. I tried the free version of Bookup. Looks very nice.
  

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Re: Chessbase v Chess Assistant
Reply #33 - 07/02/06 at 19:02:17
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Scholar wrote on 07/02/06 at 18:54:34:
Markovich wrote on 06/29/06 at 12:04:24:

One particularly nice feature is that if you put your evaluations in your terminal positions, Bookup will automatically provide the correct evaluation (assuming optimal play against your variations) for every position in the tree. 

It's worth noting too that you can also use Bookup as an endings or middle game trainer.  For a middlegame example, one of my students has entered all the positions from Michalchischin, Srokowski and Braslawski's books "Isolated Pawn" and "Hanging Pawns" into Bookup.  Oh, and recognizing transpositions is super-important if you're studying endings.

Having said that, my impression is that you can use CA or CB as an openings trainer if you want to.  I'm not too sure how to do that, since I've always had Bookup.  Others could perhaps enlighten us. 


This does seem rather useful.  I have been using CB8 to maintain a repertoire, though it is far from efficient; I essentially have separate games for each of the main lines of a particular opening variation, and then split the files as theory develops to the point where the files become too large to manipulate easily.  Transpositions must be dealt with by hand (i.e., at the end of a variation stub, I write "transposing" -- CB has a feature to search for the same position within a game, so this is not as big a problem as it might seem, although it does become a little more aggrevating once the same position starts to occur in more than one "game").

I would be very tempted to switch if it were possible to import games with variations into either of these other programs (bookup or cpt) -- it wasn't clear from the help files whether this was possible, so if anyone knows, I would appreciate knowing that before I start trying to download and import things.


Bookup will import (or export) pgn files, even immense ones that would be very difficult for a human being to make sense of.  So it's quite easy to transfer data between Bookup and other programs.

However, I don't think it's exactly a question of switching from a chess data base to Bookup.  Bookup does not attempt to provide the functionality of a chess data base.  It's a sort of spreadsheet for storing, manipulating and reviewing variations -- a task which, in my opinion, it does much better than CA, CB or SCID.
  

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Reply #32 - 07/02/06 at 18:54:34
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Markovich wrote on 06/29/06 at 12:04:24:

One particularly nice feature is that if you put your evaluations in your terminal positions, Bookup will automatically provide the correct evaluation (assuming optimal play against your variations) for every position in the tree. 

It's worth noting too that you can also use Bookup as an endings or middle game trainer.  For a middlegame example, one of my students has entered all the positions from Michalchischin, Srokowski and Braslawski's books "Isolated Pawn" and "Hanging Pawns" into Bookup.  Oh, and recognizing transpositions is super-important if you're studying endings.

Having said that, my impression is that you can use CA or CB as an openings trainer if you want to.  I'm not too sure how to do that, since I've always had Bookup.  Others could perhaps enlighten us. 


This does seem rather useful.  I have been using CB8 to maintain a repertoire, though it is far from efficient; I essentially have separate games for each of the main lines of a particular opening variation, and then split the files as theory develops to the point where the files become too large to manipulate easily.  Transpositions must be dealt with by hand (i.e., at the end of a variation stub, I write "transposing" -- CB has a feature to search for the same position within a game, so this is not as big a problem as it might seem, although it does become a little more aggrevating once the same position starts to occur in more than one "game").

I would be very tempted to switch if it were possible to import games with variations into either of these other programs (bookup or cpt) -- it wasn't clear from the help files whether this was possible, so if anyone knows, I would appreciate knowing that before I start trying to download and import things.
  
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Reply #31 - 07/02/06 at 18:53:48
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Alias wrote on 06/30/06 at 04:48:47:
Markovich: How do you use Bookup? I looked briefly at the webpage and the tutorial videos there. Have you made your own ebooks of your repertoire?


Yes.

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I guess that is rather time consuming.


Yes, although it helps that you can merge pgn files into a Bookup "book."  Also, Bookup.com sells a number of very useful sets of variations for Bookup, including some endings.  One of the best things about having my personal bookup files is that it's very simple to enter new variations into them, then backsolve the book so that the judgements of my newer theory are reflected back to the start of the book. 

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Once you have it it looks nice to have.


Yes, indeed.

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Could be good to have a place to put information from different sources together.


Yes, and it's very simple to attach a comment to the end of a given variation to show where it came from (in fact, it's easy to add a comment to any move.

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Backsolving, training and link to chess programs are good features.


Yes.  So is recognizing transpositions.
  

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Reply #30 - 07/02/06 at 14:32:38
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ChessBase is the better option.  
There are more options offered for it than for Chess Assistant.  
Since it is the standard, more people will continue to produce new software/expansions for ChessBase rather than ChessAssistant.


Sounds a bit like the PC vs. Mac debate.  One is superior, but the other is the standard...   Wink
  

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Reply #29 - 07/01/06 at 20:54:44
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ChessBase is the better option.   
There are more options offered for it than for Chess Assistant.   
Since it is the standard, more people will continue to produce new software/expansions for ChessBase rather than ChessAssistant.

As for the engines, download the free version of Rybka and use Arena as interface (if you need to).   
They are better than Crafty/GnuChess.

By the way, if you are worried about CB9 being really horrible (as per GM Kosten's warning), you can always buy CB8 for very cheap and have everything you need.  CB8 has gotten quite inexpensive and is completely reliable and more than useful.
Also, you would't really be saving a lot of money by going with CA but would be missing a lot of "extras" around the net.


As for Bookup....download the free version, or I would suggest you just buy it. 
Its excellent and has greatly improved my opening prep.  It looks very basic, but it has great features.
I have come to use Bookup a great deal.
If you do decide you don't like it Mike Leahy (the programmer) offers a full refund on your money.

By the way, Mike mentioned that a new version is coming out around the end of summer, so you might consider using the free version for awhile and buy the new one in a couple of months.

Hope this helps,
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Reply #28 - 06/30/06 at 07:05:05
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One more note: Chessposition trainer looks fine. I will try it out.
  

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