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Re: OstapBender-Scholar, Yugoslav 9.0-0-0 d5
Reply #327 - 05/25/08 at 19:55:01
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Did it even reach the middlegame?  Link here:
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1154029852
  
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Reply #326 - 05/25/08 at 19:14:11
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That one hardly reached the middle game.
  
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Reply #325 - 05/25/08 at 18:49:52
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There was also a smith morra gambit game...
  
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Reply #324 - 05/25/08 at 14:45:53
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There was also a Caro-Kann, Advanced Variation game between Willempie and HgMan:

http://www.chesspublishing.com/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1151070318

This game and the two I played in were concurrent.  The BDG games took place about a year earlier:

http://www.chesspublishing.com/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1120575514
http://www.chesspublishing.com/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1116522162
http://www.chesspublishing.com/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1118074494
  
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Reply #323 - 05/25/08 at 11:16:58
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There are two or three BDG games.
  
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Re: OstapBender-Scholar, Yugoslav 9.0-0-0 d5
Reply #322 - 05/25/08 at 03:47:01
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How many such games between two ChessPub members on the ChessPub forum have been played before? I can only recall this one and a game between OstapBender and SmyslovFan.

  
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Re: OstapBender-Scholar, Yugoslav 9.0-0-0 d5
Reply #321 - 05/24/08 at 20:50:22
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Although it's been a year or so since I've given any thought to this game, I agree with you that 16.h4 which I played has some drawbacks.  I wouldn't be surprised if White could do better here.

As I recall, 16.c4 is a move I hadn't really given serious consideration to, although my opponent had:
Scholar wrote on 07/11/06 at 07:12:04:
I spent some time with 16.c4 the main idea being Nf4 17.g3 Ne6 and White can now activate his bishop to g2 or h3 as the situation demands, thus Black might play instead 16...Nf6 with the idea of Re8 e5-e4.  I hadn't really come to any concrete conclusions.
  
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Reply #320 - 05/24/08 at 15:20:34
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Now what can we learn from this game?
I think that 16. h4 was already a slight mistake... After the strong reply 16... h5! I really like Black's position. There is even a piece sacrifice which both of you guys did not calculate properly... Probably 18... Bf5! was nevertheless the best move!

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 g6 6. Be3 Bg7 7. f3 O-O 8. Qd2 Nc6 9. O-O-O d5 10. exd5 Nxd5 11. Nxc6 bxc6 12. Bd4 Bxd4 13. Qxd4 Qb6 14. Na4 Qa5 15. b3 Qc7 16. h4 h5 17. c4 Nf4 18. Qe3 Bf5 19. g3 Ne6 20. Rg1 Rfd8 21. g4 Rxd1+ 22. Kxd1 Rd8+ 23. Kc1 and here I don't know if 23... Ng7 oder 23... Nd4 ist the better move but it's clear that if the bishop on f5 is taken Black will get a beautiful compensation on the dark squares (the most likely outcome is a perpetual).

So far the good news for Black. 

The bad news is that White can play 16. c4! And here I looked at all 4 knight moves for Black and in each case I'm not convinced of his position. May be we could have a little discussion about this position.
  
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Re: OstapBender-Scholar, Yugoslav 9.0-0-0 d5
Reply #319 - 11/21/06 at 08:57:13
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Nice game chaps Smiley
  
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Reply #318 - 11/21/06 at 01:24:33
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Thanks very much for the game, Ostap.

It was a pleasure to play and analyze with you; you certainly raised the quality of my game.  I haven't had a chance to review the early stages of the opening since we started, but your assessment probably isn't far off the mark -- only future tests can determine the playability of the middlegame.

Until then, I'm happy to have defended the honor of the black pieces and the dragon!
  
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Re: OstapBender-Scholar, Yugoslav 9.0-0-0 d5
Reply #317 - 11/19/06 at 21:30:41
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I haven't had much time the last couple of weeks to analyze the current position (perhaps there is also a problem with incentive Embarrassed), but I see liitle White can do other than postpone the inevitable.

Thus, I think it's time I resigned.  Sorry for taking so long about it - my intention was to not resign without first analyzing the position thoroughly but in the end I think I was just procrastinating.

Well played, Scholar!  Although it seemed (to me at least) that I came out of the opening with a nice advantage, you clearly outplayed me in the latter stages of the game.  I enjoyed the game and learned a lot (hopefully) from the analysis we did as well as from the process of coming up with such analysis.

Congratulations on your victory!

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Reply #316 - 11/16/06 at 03:45:11
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Thanks Paddy.  I hadn't spotted the Blehm-Charbonneau game; the Kerndl ones were briefly discussed early in the thread.
  
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Re: OstapBender-Scholar, Yugoslav 9.0-0-0 d5
Reply #315 - 11/15/06 at 18:46:34
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Looking for more games in this line it appears that a player named Rainer Kerndl played this line (15 __ Qc7) 3 times in year 2001 and won one game, lost the second and got a draw the third time. Totally on chessbase.com there where 5 games, 1 white win, 3 draws and 1 black win. Rogozenkos disc has one Kerndls games but no more games on this line.
  
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Re: OstapBender-Scholar, Yugoslav 9.0-0-0 d5
Reply #314 - 11/15/06 at 10:12:41
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I'm surprised nobody has mentioned this recent game using Scholar's line:

[Event "USCL"]
[Site "ICC INT"]
[Date "2006.09.06"]
[Round "2"]
[White "Blehm, P."]
[Black "Charbonneau, P."]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "B76"]
[WhiteElo "2511"]
[BlackElo "2501"]
[PlyCount "72"]
[EventDate "2006.08.30"]
[EventType "team"]
[EventRounds "10"]
[Source "Mark Crowther"]
[SourceDate "2006.09.11"]

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. d4 cxd4 5. Nxd4 g6 6. Be3 Bg7 7. f3 Nc6 8. Qd2
O-O 9. O-O-O d5 10. exd5 Nxd5 11. Nxc6 bxc6 12. Bd4 Bxd4 13. Qxd4 Qb6 14. Na4
Qa5 15. b3 Qc7 16. h4 Bf5 17. g4 e5 18. Qd2 Be6 19. h5 Rad8 20. hxg6 fxg6 21.
Nc5 Nf4 22. Nxe6 Nxe6 23. Bd3 Nd4 24. Qh6 Qg7 25. Qe3 e4 26. fxe4 Rf3 27. Qh6
Nxb3+ 28. axb3 Qa1+ 29. Kd2 Rdxd3+ 30. Ke2 Rfe3+ 31. Qxe3 Rxe3+ 32. Kxe3 Qc3+
33. Kf4 Qf6+ 34. Ke3 Qc3+ 35. Kf4 Qf6+ 36. Ke3 Qc3+ 1/2-1/2
  
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Re: OstapBender-Scholar, Yugoslav 9.0-0-0 d5
Reply #313 - 11/02/06 at 08:06:33
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Fair enough -- I apologize for my laziness in not working out the lines after 38...Rd2 myself.

I expect 39.Qc3 or 39.Qc4.
  
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