Hello,

first of all thx for ur answer. 2nd i have to ask about that Diagramm. The Moves Nf3 and ...e6 are included, why?

After 1.e4-c5 2.Nc3-Nc6 3.Bb5-Nd4 4.Ba4-Qa5
5.Nf3-b5 6.Nxd4(!)-cxd4.7.Nxb5-a6 8.b4(!)-Qb6 9.Na3-Qxb4 10. Bb3 i think white is much better in Development, open B-File and maybe sometimes the d-Pawn becames weak. So i believe in +=
5.Nf3-b5 6.Nxd4(!)-bxa4 7.Nde2 cant be OK for Black, cause White has no Weakness and Knight protect each other. The book Line from Fritz continues with 7...Bb7 8.00-e6 9.d3-Nf6 10.Bg5-Be7 11.Qd2-Qa6 . And Fritz says +-. Maybe a bit hard , but shows that White is at least fine.

Then i checked out ur Variation with  5.Nf3-e6. I agree this seems to be a better Line for Black compared to immediatly 5...b5
But White should have no Disadvantage in the End. Lets see
6.a3-b5 7.b4-cxb4 8.Nxd4-bxc3 9.Bxd5-Qb6      (9...cxd2+ seems worse to 10.Bxd2 nebst Bb4)


10. dxc3 e5 11. Rb1 Qb7
12. Ne2 Qxe4 (12... Nf6 13. f3 (13. Bg5 a6 14. Bd3 (14. Bc4 Qxe4 15. Bxf6 Qxc4
16. Bxe5) 14... Nxe4 (14... Qc6 15. Bxf6 Qxf6)) 13... a6) (12... a6 13. Bc4
Qxb1 14. Qd5) 13. O-O Nf6 (13... a6 14. Bd3 Qc6 15. Re1 Nf6 (15... d6 16. Nd4
Qc7 17. Be4 +-) 16. Nd4 Qc7 17. f4 d6 18. Qf3 Ra7 (18... Rb8 19. Rxb8 Qxb8 20.
fxe5 dxe5 21. Qg3 +-)) 14. Re1 Qd5 15. Bd3 Bc5 16. Nf4 Qd6 17. Nh5 O-O (17...
Nxh5 18. Qxh5 $18) 18. Qf3 +=

So Black shouldnt play for a Material win with 9....e5.
Thats all for the Moment, Thx for listening,

Regards

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, but don't want to face the harmless offshoot 2. Ktc3 Ktc6 ; 3. Bb5, which gives Black fully satisfactory play after 3. ...Ktd4 ; 4. Bc4 e6 ; 5. Ktf3 Kte7 or 5. ...a6


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Hello,

Why this is so harmless? after 1.e4-c5; 2.Sc3-Sc6;3.Lb5-Sd4;4.La4(!?)-a6;5.d3-b5;6.Lb3-Sxb3;7.axb3-Lb7;8.Sf3-d6;9.Lg5 seems to be very interesting for white. ( The book-Line continues with 9...f6;10.Ld2-e5;11.Sd5-b4 )

Its a closed Kind of Position, so Knight are preferable to Bishops. And the white goal to get close Position in that close Line is reached. 
On the other side after 12.c4 White has different ways of play this Position. Open A-File, open F-File etc...
Tell me ur Oppinion plz

Regards

Inconsistant or not, its the luxury of amateurs to give the subjective feel well factor the higher priority then objective factos. And even if White dont has the choice of Bd3, I dont want to play a KAN. But kylemeister`s Scheveningen lines look interesting.

Hello,

Well, that was what I found a bit strange, you want to learn another open sicillian Kan, or maybe Scheveningen, to avoid a problem with a particular anti-sicillian. Maybe dsanchez suggestion is closest to what you want, although 6NxN pxc6 7 e5 is a major alternative, or 3Nc3 Nc6 4.Bb5 is a type of anti-sicillian you seem not to like. You are still heading towards a Sveshnikov, not a Kalashnikov though.
             Really I think 2...Nc6 is consistent with a Kalashnikov based rep, but you are not allowing that, so there are problems meeting all your requirements.

Bye John S

I was taught to play 2...e6 specifically as a way to avoid a bunch of crap (Moscow, Rossolimo, etc) while heading toward a Sveshnikov.

1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 e6 3.d4 cd 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 Nc6 6.Ndb5 d6 7.Bf4 e5 8.Bg5

I found that no one under 2000 ever makes it to 6.Ndb5, so I took up the 4 Knights variations instead which usually features 6...Bb4.

But players 2000+ always play 6.Ndb5, after which the games usually transpose to a Sveshnikov.

Well, it's certainly possible to have a Scheveningen repertoire in which you usually play for an early ...e5.  Examples:

1. e4 c5 2. Nc3 e6 3. Nf3 d6 4. d4 cd 5. Nxd4 Nc6  

6. Be2 Nf6 7. 0-0 Be7 8. Be3 0-0 9. f4 e5 -- a major line which has been played by e.g. Spassky and Bacrot.

6. g4 h6 7. h4 a6 8. Bg2 Be7 9. Be3 Nxd4 10. Qxd4 e5 11. Qd1 Be6 12. Nd5 Rc8 13. c3 Nf6=  Karpov-Kasparov 1985.

6. f4 Nf6 7. Be3 and now 7...e5 (played by e.g. Timman; maybe more reliable than 7...Be7 8. Qf3 e5 which used to be considered the main line).

6. g3 a6 7. Bg2 Qc7 8. 0-0 Nf6 9. Re1 (looks like the most critical move, with ideas of Nd5 or Nxc6 and e5) Nxd4 10. Qxd4 e5 11. Qd3 h6 12. a4 b6 13. Nd1 Be7 14. Ne3 0-0 15. b3 Rd8= Popovic-Barlov 1986.

In the English attack starting with 6. Be3, ...Nxd4 and ...e5 appears to be feasible in some cases, but you may be better off aiming for an early ...d5.  (Still perhaps in the same "central" spirit.)  E.g., 6...Nf6 7. Qd2 Be7 8. f3 0-0 9. 0-0-0 (9. g4 d5 10. g5 Nxd4 11. Qxd4 Nh5 worked well for Black in Becerra-Leko 1997) d5 and now both 10. ed Nxd5 11. Nxd5 Qxd5 and 10. Qe1 e5 11. Nxc6 bc 12. ed Nxd5 13. Bc4 Be6 seem satisfactory for Black.  That last line/position resembles the 9. 0-0-0 Dragon, but my impression is that this is probably a little better for Black than the Dragon version.

Against 6. Bc4, you might have a problem.  You could play a move order with early ...Nf6 instead of ...Nc6.  Then against Bc4 you could go for the very respected lines where Black plays ...Be7, ...0-0 and after Bb3 plays ...Na6(-c5).  That move order, however, would allow the "pure" Keres attack, 6. g4.  In that case you can still play "centrally" after 6...h6, e.g. 7. h4 Nc6 8. Rg1 d5.  When White doesn't prepare g5 but plays moves like 7. h3 and Bg2, Black often soon plays ...Nxd4 and e5.  7. g5 hg 8. Bxg5 is something else again.  Black's play still tends to have a "central" character though, rather than the common Sicilian situation of opposing wing attacks.  You might look at e.g. Daniilidis-Adorjan 1988 (basically, after both sides castle queenside Black gets in a thematic ...d5).  

     

Yes. The hassle with the Rossolimo - that I cant escape as a Kalashnikov player - is fully enough, I dont need another Rossolimo-like position (after 2.Nc3 Nc6, 3.Bb5) in my repertoire. 

So whatever solution, it must include 2...e6

Normally I play an e5 Sicilian setup, the Kalashnikov. I change my mind (and play e6 instead of e5) when playing against early Bc4 and against the closed Sicilian. As a Grandprix player with white I know myself that d6+g6 setups are more to my favour and e6+d5 setups are unpleasant for white.

My problem: after 3.Nf3 I usually must enter a Paulsen. And I dont like the Paulsen (too passive, heavy white kingside attack etc.). So how to get e5 into the following closed Sicilian: 1.e4 c5, 2.Nc3 e6, 3.Nf3 ???

I see only one solution: 3..d6, 4.d4 cxd4, 5.Nxd4 and after Nf6 + Nc6 (+ probably Be7) I could play e5, couldnt I ? Would be a Scheveningen, B80 - B85 or so. Does it work?