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Re: A rare line for black in the advanced variatio
Reply #11 - 12/04/06 at 13:13:39
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Strategy_Rules wrote on 11/29/06 at 22:13:36:
9.a3 ?

Thats a very strange move, because now I can always play b5-b4. Black should be already slightly better.


I'm not quite sure about that. I'm comfortable with 9. a3?! b4 10 a4. Black certainly looks like it has a bit of queenside space, but I still think white's pretty solid.
  
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Re: A rare line for black in the advanced variatio
Reply #10 - 11/30/06 at 23:49:44
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Well, a critical line is 6.Bd3 cxd4 7.Nxd4, but Im not sure if white can prove an advantage here.
  
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Re: A rare line for black in the advanced variatio
Reply #9 - 11/30/06 at 15:33:22
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It's an interesting idea. Basman used to play like this. The Wade Variation would be the main line of the French Advance (and the latter a lowly-regarded sideline) were it not for the c4 sacrifice. I don't see why that should be any more effective in this version. The queen might well be more use on d8 than b6 once White starts sacrificing pawns; it helps restrain d5 (one of White's main ideas in the pawn sacrifice line) and isn't hit by a knight recapturing on c4.

I think we need a concrete line out of the White proponents....
  
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Re: A rare line for black in the advanced variatio
Reply #8 - 11/29/06 at 22:13:36
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9.a3 ?

Thats a very strange move, because now I can always play b5-b4. Black should be already slightly better.
  
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Re: A rare line for black in the advanced variatio
Reply #7 - 11/29/06 at 09:01:29
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Strategy_Rules wrote on 08/07/06 at 18:54:06:
Hello !

I started to play the following variante with black and had some success:

1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.e5 c5 4.c3 Bd7 5.Nf3 a6!? 6.Bd3/Be2 cxd4 7.cxd4 [7.Nxd4 Nge7!] 7...Bb5

What do the opening experts say to this variation ?  Smiley


I'm no opening expert, but I like playing Advance against the French.

I reckon white would look comfortable after 8 Bxb5+ axb5 9 a3. How do you propose to proceed after this?
  
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Re: A rare line for black in the advanced variatio
Reply #6 - 10/02/06 at 15:17:43
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Hmm, not easy to refute.
Actually, 6. b3, 6. Qb3 and 6. a4 are all to be considered as well. I'll post again when I have time to throw a proper look on it all.
  
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Re: A rare line for black in the advanced variatio
Reply #5 - 09/30/06 at 15:47:53
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Uberdeker wrote:

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6. a3, which is the main line against all the rest, is probably the best move. Prepares b4 and doesn't lose time after a subsequent Bxb5.


You probably thought of the variation : 5...a6 6.a3 cxd4 7.cxd4 Bb5 8.Bxb5 axb5, too. Well, white to move now ! How do you intend to proceed now and why do you think this line is inferior for black ?
  
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Re: A rare line for black in the advanced variatio
Reply #4 - 09/28/06 at 01:27:54
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These opinions are not confirmed by practice though. Whether White's 6th move is 6.a3, 6.Bd3 or 6.Be2, Black has a good score with the follow up ...Bb5 (more than 50% in 80 games). Also some respectable names have tried it, amongst others Eingorn and Morozevitsj, but never on a regular base.
An example is Ristic-Nestorovic, JUGchT 2005: 6.a3 cxd4 7.cxd4 Bb5 8.Bxb5+ axb5 9.0-0 (9.b4 does not look particularly attractive; maybe 9.Bg5!?) b4. Black won, despite having an ELO of 200 points less than his opponent.
As I will not mind at all seeing the O'Kelly nor this particular line of the French advance being refuted, I ask for some more details.
Überdeker is right: only a small amount of the games saw the French move order.
  
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Re: A rare line for black in the advanced variatio
Reply #3 - 09/28/06 at 00:15:55
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I agree with Uberdecker here.  I think the main comparison is between ...a6 and the Wade Variation, ...Qb6.  Even ...Qb6 intending ...Bb5 is not considered to be a threat to White at the moment, and I see even less for White to worry about after ...a6.
  
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Re: A rare line for black in the advanced variatio
Reply #2 - 09/27/06 at 17:06:21
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This is definitely inferior to the 4. ...Ktc6 ; 5. Ktf3 Bd7 , 4. ...Qb6 ; 5. Ktf3 Bd7 and 4. ...Qb6 ; 5. Ktf3 Ktc6 lines.
6. a3, which is the main line against all the rest, is probably the best move. Prepares b4 and doesn't lose time after a subsequent Bxb5.
This variation probably arises much more often from the O'Kelly move-order, simply through lack of good alternatives!
  
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Re: A rare line for black in the advanced variatio
Reply #1 - 09/26/06 at 03:18:21
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I actually don't know any theory on this, but I've played it a few times myself--from the Sicilian O'Kelly move order: 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 a6 3.c3 e6 4.d4 d5, etc.  I certainly think it's playable, but could be inferior to the main lines.  Keep playing it if it brings results; I don't know of anything wrong with it.
  
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C02: A rare line for black in advanced variation
08/07/06 at 18:54:06
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Hello !

I started to play the following variante with black and had some success:

1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.e5 c5 4.c3 Bd7 5.Nf3 a6!? 6.Bd3/Be2 cxd4 7.cxd4 [7.Nxd4 Nge7!] 7...Bb5

What do the opening experts say to this variation ?  Smiley
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