bundesligaspieler wrote on 10/10/06 at 16:58:24:
Hello all,
there are so many false assertions in this thread, that it's difficult to keep counting.
Thank you for your interest! And welcome to the forum!
Quote:The first error is the title, which seems to imply that 9...Nxd4 is dead.
When I wrote the title, I tried to take into account the perceived consensus in this forum. The consensus here seems to be that, well, if black is not dead after 9...Nxd4, he's breathing through a respirator. The working proposition of my post was that maybe white has an even more convincing way of dealing with 9...Nxd4 than what is generally considered most critical. It was intended as an open question, not a dirty implication!
Quote:Are you just unable to chose a title which leaves room for discussion?
I had hoped that the question mark would leave enough room for discussion!
Quote:The 2nd error is, that 16.h6 Bh8 17.g5?! (my interpunction) is new. It was analyzed 20 years
ago by Keene and considered better for Black.
I in no place tried to give an impression that I knew all games and published analysis of these lines! What I meant was that 17.g5 was at least not recognised as giving black any serious problems (that is, it had rarely been seen), and that maybe I was in position to present some analysis to change the assessment of the move. After having written my last posts, I have dusted off Golubev's "(not so) easy guide to the dragon", and he indeed also mentions "17.g5? b4 18.Nb5 Qa4! 19.gxf6 bxa3 and Black has a clear advantage, Wiedenkeller-Pousette, Hallsberg 1980". The NEW move then, is 19.Rh2, that my opponent played, after which I believe black is practically lost. I posted a PGN with a good deal of analysis of this position.
Quote:Please inform yourselves in chess informant, I cannot quote all analysis here.
Maybe it would suffice to just point out the improvement for black after 19.Rh2, or earlier?
Quote:Third, 16.h6 b4 was heavily analysed until it was found out, that after 17.Nd5 White is better.
In this thread was given: "17...Nxd5 18. hxg7 Nc3+ $1 19. Ka1 f6 {
Black is at least no worse}" . Again, I cannot agree. According to theory (Tiviakov, monography B76)
this is much better for White.
Below is attached PGN with my analysis of 17.Nd5. My conclusions are:
1) 17...Bxd5 practically forces a draw by repetition, with black having the option to try for more.
2) 17...Nxd5 is probably also fine for black.
Maybe you can find some flaws in the analysis, perhaps by consulting your sources also? I would only be thankful. I should probably note that Golubev gives 17...Nxd5 as unclear, and recommends 17.Nb5 instead of 17.Nd5. He includes Tiviakov's B75-76 in his bibliography, by the way.
Quote:Possibly 17.Nb5 is also good.
Yes, possibly. Maybe you have something insightful to add to the discussion of this line that has already taken place in this thread?
Quote:About 16.h6 Bf8 I have not seen yet, neither analysed it, so no comment.
16.h6 Bh8 seems best for Black, with an equal game according to my material.
Chris Ward in WWTSD II also calls 16...Bh8 a "perfectly reasonable alternative". My analysis presented in this thread indicates otherwise, however. I would be quite interested in learning where black can improve.
Quote:12.h4, as mentioned by Scholar, doesnt belong to the thread, but it is neither much better than 12.g4,
nor is it anywhere near winning for white. Scholar proceeds by stating that Black is lost
after 14.hxg6 hxg6, which is a fairy tale and I have seen no evidence for that in this forum yet.
Please give the main line if you make such brutal assertions.
Since I also made that assertion, please allow me to respond. I offer you a deal: If you find any essential flaws in my analysis presented in this thread, I will give you more flawed analysis demonstrating a near-winning advantage to white after 14...hxg6.
Quote:On the other hand, 14...fxg6 is considered bad in theory.
OK.
Quote:Suffice it to say that in my opinion 16.h6 is not the best try, maybe 16.Nd5 is another,
but Black still does not have problems in the material I collected and my analysis.
I value your opinion, since you are obviously a very knowledgeable person, but I would REALLY appreciate it if you could back up your opinion in concrete terms instead of just referring to some 20-year old Keene analysis
That way me may also have a chance of making improved assessments.
Quote:Generally there is no suffering for Black after 9.000 in my opinion and Black does not have to pray.
Certainly, black does not have to pray that much after 9.000, but if he continues 9...Nxd4, it just may pay off
Quote:There are these complete out-of-place posts crying for an accelerated dragon.
I think he was joking. Joking, not crying.
Quote:Well that's it for now. With so many unfounded assertions, I see no reason to get mixed up in the
discussion, let apart reveal personal analysis in exchange for some whining.
Funny, that's just how I feel upon reading your post. I believe you can do better. And it would be much welcomed
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