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Re: Where is white advantage in the modern ?
Reply #20 - 10/09/06 at 13:38:09
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Keano wrote on 10/09/06 at 11:41:23:
Wise words Ametanoitos, this whole ...exd4 does not feel like a Modern in any case  Wink


What about 4...Nd7 5.f4!? If Black doesnt fancy this maybe the best order is 4...e5 5.Nf3 Nd7 (I believe the endgame 5.dxe5 is not to be feared these days as I like Morozevichs treatement)


5.f4 e5 6.fxe5 dxe5 7.d5 Nf6 is considered the best white can get from the 5.f4 move order but this is known not to give white an advantage. The problem with all these minor lines is the small number of practical games played and so is difficult to make safe conclusions but i like black's resourses (even if i prefer the benko over the KID/Modern!).  I'm more worried about the transositions to 1.e4 openings (pirc,modern systems) after 1..g6 or 1..d6
  
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Re: Where is white advantage in the modern ?
Reply #19 - 10/09/06 at 13:29:52
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1.d4 g6 2.c4 Bg7 3.e4 d6 4.Nc3 e5 5.Nge2 exd4 6.Nxd4 Nc6 7.Be3 Nge7 8.h4 h6 9.Qd2 f5
  
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Re: Where is white advantage in the modern ?
Reply #18 - 10/09/06 at 11:41:23
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Wise words Ametanoitos, this whole ...exd4 does not feel like a Modern in any case  Wink

I didnt know that the ....Nh6 idea had been revived, it is interesting indeed - although Blacks best may be to transpose back into a Nd7 KID earlier.

What about 4...Nd7 5.f4!? If Black doesnt fancy this maybe the best order is 4...e5 5.Nf3 Nd7 (I believe the endgame 5.dxe5 is not to be feared these days as I like Morozevichs treatement)
  
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Re: Where is white advantage in the modern ?
Reply #17 - 10/09/06 at 10:40:56
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[quote author=Michael Ayton link=1159792065/0#12 date=1160091318][quote]Oh, that's why 4..Nd7 is my preference. And then comes your question :"Where is white advantage in the modern ?". In his recent book Grivas gives a line proven by Rogozenko that is harmless for black. [/quote]

Interesting, Ametanoitos. Can you say more?[/quote]

SOS 4: An Indian SOS, part I (Rogazenko) 4..Nd7 5.Nf3 (other moves are also covered in detail) e5 6.Be2 c6 7.O-O (i give only the main line given in every book about the modern) Nh6! (my exclam) 8.c5 (the absolute test!) dxc5 9.dxe5 and now every book (including Grivas') give only 9..O-O with white having an advantage (Rogozenko also gives analysis to claim equality for black here!) but "Rogo" concentrates on the rare move 9..Qc7 which gives excellent play.

As for parisestmagique's line Grivas is a specialist on White's side (he won against Azmai some days ago!) and gives 8..h6 9.Qd2 and 9.Be2 both leading to white advantage as is the 8..f5 9.h5 or even 9.exf5. Speelman doesn't trust this line anymore. I think you should consentrate on Rogozenko's suggestions
  
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Re: Where is white advantage in the modern ?
Reply #16 - 10/09/06 at 09:57:35
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Ok 8.h4 h6

I will go 9.Qd2
  
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Re: Where is white advantage in the modern ?
Reply #15 - 10/09/06 at 09:42:17
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Here i have a problem 8... f5 and 8... h6 seems ok for Black. Any idea of what is the best ? Maybe i will follow Grandmaster Speelman and play h6.
  
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Re: Where is white advantage in the modern ?
Reply #14 - 10/07/06 at 21:02:19
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Ok I'll take you on

8.h4!  Wink
  
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Re: Where is white advantage in the modern ?
Reply #13 - 10/06/06 at 14:52:46
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I think that white has nothing. let's analyse if you want  1.d4 g6 2.c4 Bg7 3.e4 d6 4.Nc3 e5 5.Nf3 exd4 6.Nxd4 Nc6
7.Be3 Cge7
  
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Re: Where is white advantage in the modern ?
Reply #12 - 10/05/06 at 23:35:18
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[quote]Oh, that's why 4..Nd7 is my preference. And then comes your question :"Where is white advantage in the modern ?". In his recent book Grivas gives a line proven by Rogozenko that is harmless for black. [/quote]

Interesting, Ametanoitos. Can you say more?
  
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Re: Where is white advantage in the modern ?
Reply #11 - 10/05/06 at 16:02:46
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I will try to develop Knights on c6 and e7. And try to improve on Kasparov-Speelman
  
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Re: Where is white advantage in the modern ?
Reply #10 - 10/05/06 at 11:10:51
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[quote author=parisestmagique link=1159792065/0#7 date=1160042628]After 5.Nf3 i play exd4 to stay in the Modern[/quote]

Does that mean that you develop your K Knight to -e7 or -h6? Otherwise you will be transposing to the KID and conceding a solid edge to White. This is probably still your best option though...
  
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Re: Where is white advantage in the modern ?
Reply #9 - 10/05/06 at 11:10:30
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3...c5!
  
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Re: Where is white advantage in the modern ?
Reply #8 - 10/05/06 at 10:52:58
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5.Nf3 exd4 is a good line for White - I would worry about this more than the ending which Morozevich has demonstrated is playable.
  
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Re: Where is white advantage in the modern ?
Reply #7 - 10/05/06 at 10:03:48
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After 1.d4 g6 2.c4 Bg7 3.e4 d6 4.Nc3 e5 5.dxe5 dxe5 6.QxQ+ KxQ 7.f4 Be6 8.fxe5 Nd7 9.Nf3 Nxe5 10.Fg5+ f6 11.000+ where is the white plus after Kc8
After 5.Nf3 i play exd4 to stay in the Modern
  
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Re: Where is white advantage in the modern ?
Reply #6 - 10/04/06 at 08:00:46
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Forget this ending - 5.Nf3!
  
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