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Re: Where is white advantage in the modern ?
Reply #35 - 10/13/06 at 16:00:11
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Why are you so aggressiv ? First the question was about the endgame in this variation, second Kasparov old stuff ? this must be a joke, third as a said before the point is NOT to play a correspondance game, the opening is finished (we have 3 pieces + king left !) and white has almost nothing after say Bd7. You have to find another refutation if it exist.
  
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Re: Where is white advantage in the modern ?
Reply #34 - 10/13/06 at 10:38:02
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old stuff Paris - the Kasparov game is well known of course but Qd2 is more to the point (I am not saying the Kasparov continuation is bad either).  You seem to be in some kind of denial here, use a bit of objectivity and pick a different line! We have just played a series of simple moves and you are in trouble - it is not a correspondence game, I was just trying to demonstate the dodginess of this line. My advice - check a comment earlier in the thread about the ...Nh6 stuff if you want to experiment, or else go back into KID. Your comments earlier that Black has various moves where he has "no problems" show that you have not investigated this system thoroughly yet.
  
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Re: Where is white advantage in the modern ?
Reply #33 - 10/13/06 at 07:20:22
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The point is not as i said before, to play a correspondance game Fritz-Fritz, but i notice that you refused to check what played the best player ever Garry Kasparov against this line of the Modern ...
  
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Re: Where is white advantage in the modern ?
Reply #32 - 10/12/06 at 17:51:44
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Nice try! 15.Bd4 Qxd4 16.Qxd4 Bxd4 17.Rxd4 c5 

18.Rf4  Are you happy to play this position from the opening, let us assess - lots of weak pawns for Black, and a simple plan to improve the position for White (I keep my options open but in general Re1 and king to the centre). I've had a look, and you will be doing extremely well to hold it - in fact it may be technically won. So I would have to refuse your draw offer, if you want to resign thats another thing  Wink  Actually I'm surprised you chose to allow Bd4 as everything is simple now, but I suppose leaving your king in the centre is dangerous also. The whole line is extremely risky!
  
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Reply #31 - 10/12/06 at 16:34:14
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Dont you think that the opening is finished ? i take twice on d4 and play ç5 and propose a draw.
  
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Re: Where is white advantage in the modern ?
Reply #30 - 10/12/06 at 15:19:03
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Just joking  Wink Use Fritz if you like, I am playing human moves myself.

Now 15.Bd4 I continue to play simple moves as you see, seems the endgame is very nice for White, the middlegame probably even more so though.
  
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Re: Where is white advantage in the modern ?
Reply #29 - 10/12/06 at 07:08:33
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I castle also. what do you mean with "no cheating with fritz now" ? 1.d4 g6 2.c4 Bg7 3.e4 d6 4.Nc3 e5 5.Nge2 exd4 6.Nxd4 Nc6 7.Be3 Nge7 8.h4 h6 9.Qd2 f5 10.exf5 Nxf5 11.Nxc6 bxc6 12.Bd3 Qf6 13.Fxf5 gxB 14.000 0-0
  
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Reply #28 - 10/11/06 at 15:52:42
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I will castle and await 14.0-0-0 - no cheating with Fritz now  Wink
  
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Reply #27 - 10/11/06 at 15:18:22
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Here 13... Bxf5 13... Qxf5 and 13... gxf5 seems all ok for me, but i choose the last move. So 13.Bxf5 gxf5
  
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Re: Where is white advantage in the modern ?
Reply #26 - 10/11/06 at 10:26:41
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13.Bxf5  I dont know what Fritz8 says and I can assure you I would not use a computer for picking my opening moves! I am going to play simple chess here and see where you are going to put your king  Wink  You can tell me if you are still happy after a few more moves, dont trust your books too much... especially when it comes to ropey lines like this all you have got really is an opinion at a particular point in time, nothing more.
  
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Re: Where is white advantage in the modern ?
Reply #25 - 10/11/06 at 10:04:01
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I am a bit surprised that you dont follow the moves of Kasparov-Speelman 8.h4 h6 9.Be2 The line is given in the books about the modern as the best against h6. Speelman thinks the best is 8.h4 f5 Anyway the move 11.Nxc6 is given by Fritz8 so ... I have to say that i am not a correspondance player so we can let play our Fritz. Mine give already equal chance in this line
1.e4 g6 2.d4 Bg7 3.c4 d6 4.Nc3 e5 5.Nf3 exd4 6.Nxd4 Nc6 7.Be3 Nge7 8.h4 h6 9.Qd2 f5 10.exf5 Nxf5 11.Nxc6 bxN 12.Bd3 Qf6
  
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Re: Where is white advantage in the modern ?
Reply #24 - 10/10/06 at 16:30:22
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parisestmagique wrote on 10/10/06 at 10:22:58:
10... Nxf5


I am a bit torn between promising continuations now - I like the simple line 11.Nxf5, but I think I will try something that could be even stronger - I will play 11. Nxc6 bxc6 12. Bd3.  Now I am curious how you will handle things
  
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Re: Where is white advantage in the modern ?
Reply #23 - 10/10/06 at 10:22:58
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10... Nxf5
  
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Re: Where is white advantage in the modern ?
Reply #22 - 10/09/06 at 13:52:00
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Ametanoitos wrote on 10/09/06 at 13:38:09:

5.f4 e5 6.fxe5 dxe5 7.d5 Nf6 is considered the best white can get from the 5.f4 move order but this is known not to give white an advantage. The problem with all these minor lines is the small number of practical games played and so is difficult to make safe conclusions but i like black's resourses (even if i prefer the benko over the KID/Modern!).  


Agreed about the difficulty to make reliability assesments due to lack of practical examples (especially at high level). The position after 5.f4 e5 6.fxe5 dxe5 7.d5 Nf6 seems like something that could come from  KID 4 pawns attack, but I am not a KID man so I could be wrong. In any case I suppose it is a question of taste which lines to allow with the move order here.
  
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Re: Where is white advantage in the modern ?
Reply #21 - 10/09/06 at 13:48:19
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parisestmagique wrote on 10/09/06 at 13:29:52:
1.d4 g6 2.c4 Bg7 3.e4 d6 4.Nc3 e5 5.Nge2 exd4 6.Nxd4 Nc6 7.Be3 Nge7 8.h4 h6 9.Qd2 f5


10.exf5
  
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