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Re: Geurt Gijssen astounding mistake
Reply #23 - 11/09/06 at 11:23:18
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why is that obvious from his behaviour? If you mean him not attending the inspection of the position it is quite possible he did not believe it to be a 3-fold repetition and did not want any distractions from the chess-board itself. Many professional players take this approach now, especially when players try to claim draws from the arbiter - the best approach is usually to ignore everything and continue thinking about the position in hand. If the arbiter had done his job properly (which was not too much to hope for Huh) then the tactic would have worked. I believe Moro was genuinely surprised that the 3-fold repetition was awarded - hence his comment "I cannot count to 3".
  
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Re: Geurt Gijssen astounding mistake
Reply #22 - 11/09/06 at 10:51:31
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Just a thought on the subject of the beginning of this thread Wink :
A claim of a draw is also a draw offer, i.e. the opponent can just accept the draw. It feels very much like Morozevich did exactly this, though he didn't state this as such. What was obvious from his behavior is that he didn't mind the draw, correctly claimed or not. 
  
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Reply #21 - 11/08/06 at 15:45:58
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Yes, Grischuk-Gelfand in particular. Solid theoretical successes for Black, of course, but still.

So someone tell me why Moro's ....Rb5 doesn't lose at once to Bc6?
  
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Reply #20 - 11/08/06 at 15:34:59
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Is this an exception to the new rule prohibiting players to write the move down before playing it? (A great rule in my opinion, the scoresheet should be for recording what happens on the board)

As for the games this round I am a bit disgusted the 2 games I was interested in (Shirov-Leko and Grishchuk-Gelfand) ended in quick draws  Sad  Ah well, there is sure to be some hidden gems in these games nevertheless after a bit of digging.
  
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Reply #19 - 11/08/06 at 15:31:14
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Yes, I sort of knew that. But still - has it been played?! It's on one scoresheet, but not on the other. And it's not on the board.

Ray Keene won his GM title on this rule - his opponent played a move which produced the same position for the third time, but this time with Keene to move, which meant Keene was winning. The arbiter naturally rejected the claim, but the losing move had to stand. The (Chilean, I believe) player protested like mad and I think refused to continue.

So if you write down one move but tell the arbiter you intend to play another one, your claim fails? Don't see much sense in that, but there's a few rules I don't see much sense in.

So is Pono going to win, I wonder? I thought he was much better eariler, but I'm not so sure now.
  
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Reply #18 - 11/08/06 at 15:19:53
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(actually I wonder whether the move you say you intend to play is actually officialy part of the game score? Maybe not and that's why it's not on the official site.)


You must both write it down instead of playing it and proclaim you're gonna play it. 

And if you should happen to write down the wrong move - you're forced to play it! (This happened to a swedish junior in the recent youth championship in hmm - was it Armenia?)
  
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Reply #17 - 11/08/06 at 15:02:05
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Gosh, well all of a sudden my predictions look rather good. It seems to me that Gelfand took the draw from a position of strength because he was short of time. Disappointing that if the record is right Carlsen-Mamedyarov just agreed instead of making GG do the work (actually I wonder whether the move you say you intend to play is actually officialy part of the game score? Maybe not and that's why it's not on the official site.)

I wonder if Aronian missed ...Re1+ or just saw he was lost and allowed it for the crowd. If he traded queens first I'm sure the ending was lost, but you'd try a bit of token resistance, wouldn't you?

Fine game by Svidler though, looked so easy. I can't think taking the man on in the Grunfeld without some very solid prep behind you is a good idea.....

Now I just need Pono to win for a full house.
  
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Reply #16 - 11/08/06 at 14:32:15
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Don't tell me Carlsen's going to repeat again today (moves 29-32 or so)?!?
  
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Reply #15 - 11/08/06 at 14:10:45
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And isn't the Pono-Moro game amazing? I don't know about you but I thought it was all about attacking. Now it turns out it's all about stopping Black developing properly. I guess that's the modern Sicilian for you - where's Dvoretsky when you need him?
  
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Reply #14 - 11/08/06 at 14:09:26
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22...Red8 was a horrid move for Gelfand to have to make; if that's best then White's idea must be very dangerous. I'm beginning to regret my 2/3 prediction, especially since Mamedyarov looks as though he's done something wrong. That piece sacrifice was obviously, on reflection, a lot more dangerous than I thought.
  
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Re: Geurt Gijssen astounding mistake
Reply #13 - 11/08/06 at 13:46:51
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IMJohnCox wrote on 11/08/06 at 13:41:56:
I don't really understand Grischuk-Gelfand. What does White have for his pawn after 22....f5 now, for instance?


A good question - I am presuming Grischuk has prepared this line, which is why I am fascinated to see what happens - all of his pieces are active but I cant exactly see how he can get at the Black king. I will go for lunch and come back to see what happened in these games later today  Wink
  
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Reply #12 - 11/08/06 at 13:44:51
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Don't tell me - Pono's going to play 16 Qg3 now and GG's going to have another chance?!
  
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I don't really understand Grischuk-Gelfand. What does White have for his pawn after 22....f5 now, for instance?
  
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Reply #10 - 11/08/06 at 13:41:07
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My prediction looking good in Shirov-Leko. Could be another workout for GG coming up....
  
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Re: Geurt Gijssen astounding mistake
Reply #9 - 11/08/06 at 13:40:50
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Yes - Shirov-Leko is an interesting one for the other thread elsewhere on the Marshall, will be interesting to see what happens there, and also the Grischuk-Gelfand Petroff looks fascinating. This is a fantastic line-up for a tournament, lots of good fighters in there. 
 
  
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