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Reply #38 - 11/21/06 at 06:25:32
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(Just to be clear, I was almost as saddened by Poll's exit and retirement as I was by England's.  I thought he would have made an excellent choice for the WC final once England was knocked out.)
  
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Reply #37 - 11/13/06 at 19:12:24
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I thought his main job was to call players when they oversleep and to get them their sandwich in time Grin
  

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Reply #36 - 11/13/06 at 18:08:39
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Football ref must be one of the hardest and most ungrateful tasks a person could do. Surrounded by 22 over paid players who usually takes every chance to fake a foul, and no cameras or anything to help you decide - no wonder a ref makes mistakes.

But why compare this with a top level chess referee?? It's surely one of the cushiest jobs available. Say some words before the tm starts, drink some coffee, chat with some famous players or read a book while you perform your main task - 'just being there'... No wonder GG won't step down voluntarily!  Grin
  
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Reply #35 - 11/13/06 at 17:45:22
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Graham P actually made two very good decisions which were justified by TV replays, and sent a player off for calling him a 'f***ing sh*te', for some reason deeming this foul and abusive language. The player's indignation on TV afterwards was comical (he speak with a heavy Scottish accent, and apparently Poll misheard the last word as 'cheat'. Of course referees are supposed to put up with 'f**king sh*te' routinely. In McFaddenWorld, anyway.

(to be fair he has also made some decisions which looked dubious on replays. But most of the ones managers have been complaining about were fine, as usual, of course).
  
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Reply #34 - 11/12/06 at 03:24:49
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Hmm, a top class arbiter can't count to three.  In another sport, a ref couldn't count to two (yellow cards) and was immediately sent packing.  He announced his retirement from being an international referee within a week.  Graham Poll seems to have made some mistakes in the EPL recently.  Perhaps Mr. Gijssen could take a cue from Mr. Poll.   

While I've often enjoyed his Chess Cafe articles, IA Gijssen seems to have been on the wrong end of several critical decisions in recent months.  He must need a break.
  
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Reply #33 - 11/10/06 at 08:57:01
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From official site:

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The next game to comment may seriously claim to be the most intriguing not only in today’s round, but in the tournament itself. And not because of its purely chess content. The reason is that in chess, unlike soccer, the arbiter seldom plays an active role in determining the outcome of the contest. Before the first control the rivals were able to manage on their own. Alexander Morozevich was able to surprise his opponent with a rare move in the Sveshnikov variation. Carlsen reacted calmly - he generally gives the impression of an extraordinarily calm youth - still the position he got was somewhat depressing. The Russian grandmaster was slowly and methodically tightening the rope around his opponent’s neck. The Norwegian defended sturdily, but still the issue was open whether White finds a winning plan (if it exists at all) or the “kid” adds to his assets the first half a point. Both spectators and journalists were in a state of relaxed expectation - as a Victorian novelist would sag: nothing presaged the disaster. In the closed position Morozevich tried to find the winning method. Carlsen defended. White failed to disturb the fragile equilibrium and at some point the Norwegian called the arbiter and claimed the threefold repetition of the position. The claim was satisfied: Geurt Gijssen recognized the game as drawn. Both grandmasters moved to the exit. Taken unawares, the journalists caught up with them on the staircase. The distressed Morozevich refused to comment on the game: ‘What am I to talk about if I cannot count up to three!’

While Magnus was demonstrating variations of the difficult game, offering his rival his condolences: ‘It certainly was nasty for Alexander to allow the repetition of moves in such a position’ - it has been found that in fact Alexander should feel even nastier about it, for, actually, there has not been a triple repetition at all! Indeed, the same position appeared for the third time, but with the other player having the move.

It is precisely this latter circumstance that the Chief Arbiter overlooked, while Morozevich seemed to rely upon his judgment. Later Geurt Gijssen made a statement to this effect. He also told ‘the latest news’ to the only one of the two participants of the drama who still remained in the playing area.

I am ready to play on’, said the descendant of the Vikings. All rushed to look for Morozevich - to no avail: he was obviously resting after the unfortunate game at a restaurant. Cynical journalists suggested that the justice should be restored and Alexander’s clock started. But, in the opinion of Morozevich’s coach grandmaster Alexey Kuzmin, a draw remains a draw, despite the arbiter’s wrong decision. Only thing remained unclear - what did Morozevich mean when complaining that he could not count up to three?


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The Second Statement by Mr. Geurt Gijssen      
 
Today I had the opportunity to speak with GM Morozevich about my yesterday's wrong decision in his game with GM Carlsen.

I offered him my sincere apologies, which he accepted.

 
Geurt Gijssen
  

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Reply #32 - 11/10/06 at 08:19:10
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IMJohnCox wrote on 11/09/06 at 17:14:16:
Has the 3-fold rule always been the same, does anyone know? I've noticed repetitions a couple of times in the old classics (for example one Petrosian game from his best games). It seems strange they aren't commented on. I just wonder if it used to have to be the same moves exactly, or something?

In one of his books Donner notes that the Soviets were often caught on the 3 move rule. He thought that they played with a different rule when playing at home. Not sure if he was right though.
  

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Reply #31 - 11/09/06 at 17:14:16
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Has the 3-fold rule always been the same, does anyone know? I've noticed repetitions a couple of times in the old classics (for example one Petrosian game from his best games). It seems strange they aren't commented on. I just wonder if it used to have to be the same moves exactly, or something?
  
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Reply #30 - 11/09/06 at 17:00:58
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Keano wrote on 11/09/06 at 14:47:14:
Willempie - I´m not saying anything about dirty tricks, there would be no reason for that anyway. It was simply incredible negligence on the part of Gijssen - when checking a 3-fold repetition this is the very first thing to remember (the player to move).

Klick - I think you are underestimating the gravity of this error - or else you are just a very forgiving person  Wink

True it is an incredible mistake, but I think that in this case it didnt matter in the end result. On the other hand I also find it incredible both players didnt notice it. I mean maybe Moro has the Russian 3-fold disease (ie Spassky allowing a 3-fold in his match against Fischer), but I dont think a youngster like Carlsen would miss this normally.
  

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Reply #29 - 11/09/06 at 16:02:37
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Maybe you are right Keano. I tend to be quite forgiving to ocassional unintentional blunders like this, especially since I tend to commit them myself in the games I play!  Smiley  I don't think there is any reason to believe it was intentional on anybodys part.
  

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Reply #28 - 11/09/06 at 14:47:14
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Willempie - I´m not saying anything about dirty tricks, there would be no reason for that anyway. It was simply incredible negligence on the part of Gijssen - when checking a 3-fold repetition this is the very first thing to remember (the player to move).

Klick - I think you are underestimating the gravity of this error - or else you are just a very forgiving person  Wink
  
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Reply #27 - 11/09/06 at 13:55:46
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You might want to volunteer as arbiter in the next event Keano.
  

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Reply #26 - 11/09/06 at 13:48:06
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Keano wrote on 11/09/06 at 13:36:10:
Why should he? How was he to know that a mistake as negligent as that hade been made by supposedly FIDEs top arbiter? Mistakes are normal - but such an elementary one as this in such an important event is unbelievable. If this happened to a football referee in the English premiership he would be relegated to covering Championship matches after this....

May I point out that Carlsen missed it as well (and Moro I think too). I dont think you would accuse him of dirty tricks Wink
  

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Reply #25 - 11/09/06 at 13:36:10
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Why should he? How was he to know that a mistake as negligent as that hade been made by supposedly FIDEs top arbiter? Mistakes are normal - but such an elementary one as this in such an important event is unbelievable. If this happened to a football referee in the English premiership he would be relegated to covering Championship matches after this....
  
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Reply #24 - 11/09/06 at 12:20:58
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Everyone does mistakes, it's human to do so. State-leader, business-leaders and yes, even chess-arbiters. Obviously Moro did not object after Geurt and Magnus had played the moves over.
  

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