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Re: Slav 6 Ne5 7 ....c5!?
Reply #7 - 01/06/07 at 15:54:58
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I am not strong enough to point the way forward, but if I were a player of 6. Ne5, I would try to find ways to increase the pressure after 13. Bxc4.  or just possibly I would look at 12. Nxc4 instead of Topalov's 12. Nxd7.  It is perhaps worth observing that one's opponent isn't going to be Kramnik. 


Actually I spent a long time trying to find a way forward, really believing there should be, but apparently I'm not even close to being strong enough.  Will look into 12.Nxd7.

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If 9. d5 doesn't work, then 9. Be3 cxd4 10. Bxd4 should be tried, official theory says Black should equalise with 10... Nc6 11. Nxc6 bxc6 12. Bxc4 Qa5 intending ... Bc5, but i think with the Black pawn on c6 White has slightly more chances in an endgame with the asymmetrical pawn structure. 
 
I suppose its time to switch to 6. e3. Check the games of Van Wely, looks like the ultra-theoretical dutchman knows best after all. 


I also looked into 10.Bxd4 but I personally don't think White has anything there.  Once again, maybe I'm just not strong enough.  I probably just keep experimenting with 6.Ne5, 6.e3 and 6.Nh4 and see how I do with them.


  
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Re: Slav 6 Ne5 7 ....c5!?
Reply #6 - 01/05/07 at 16:54:33
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If 9. d5 doesn't work, then 9. Be3 cxd4 10. Bxd4 should be tried, official theory says Black should equalise with 10... Nc6 11. Nxc6 bxc6 12. Bxc4 Qa5 intending ... Bc5, but i think with the Black pawn on c6 White has slightly more chances in an endgame with the asymmetrical pawn structure.

I suppose its time to switch to 6. e3. Check the games of Van Wely, looks like the ultra-theoretical dutchman knows best after all.  Undecided
  
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Re: Slav 6 Ne5 7 ....c5!?
Reply #5 - 01/05/07 at 14:26:19
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Personally, I think White is good after 13. Bxc4 in Topalov - Kramnik, by which I mean that I don't think he has sacrificed much, if any, of the advantage of the first move.  I am not strong enough to point the way forward, but if I were a player of 6. Ne5, I would try to find ways to increase the pressure after 13. Bxc4.  or just possibly I would look at 12. Nxc4 instead of Topalov's 12. Nxd7.  It is perhaps worth observing that one's opponent isn't going to be Kramnik.

Parenthetically, and not only because of 7...c5, I don't think it is wise to play 6. Ne5 against the Slav if you're not a pretty good technician.  If you just want to play chess in a fluid position, play 6. e3, which is another perfectly good move.
  
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Re: Slav 6 Ne5 7 ....c5!?
Reply #4 - 01/04/07 at 04:55:11
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Anyway, the way Shirov played had a critical look but if that didn't work, i suppose another method for a complicated middlegame is to create the passed d-pawn with 9. d5 exd5 10. exd5 Bd6 11. Nxc4. whereaupon I think the pawn on f3 is slightly odd, but at least takes away some squares from Black, and White's knight on c4 looks nice. Not sure if this is still very much for White though.   


Was really hoping this might give White something, but after say 11.Nxc4 0-0 12.Be2 Na6 Black looks comfortable.

I'm trying to use the repertoire given in Starting out: 1.d4! (so far just some changes in sub-variations that I personally like better) so I hate to give up on playing 4.Nc3 dxc4 5.a4.  I'd like opinions on which is the better try for and edge after 5...Bf5, 6.e3 or 6.Nh4?
  
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Re: Slav 6 Ne5 7 ....c5!?
Reply #3 - 11/15/06 at 19:00:24
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I remember reading some comments by Alekhine once upon a time and he mentioned that, in his opinion, White's best approach vs. the Slav was 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.e3.  Also he said that 4.Qc2 was the most logical approach to the Nimzo-Indian.  Now, when he said those things, the theory of those systems was vastly underdeveloped compared to today, and he had no Fritzy (well, maybe he had a friend named Fritz, but no silicon version) to analyze with him.  I find it remarkable that his statements have some validity even today! He must have studied the Ne5 lines and the e3 lines of the Classical Slav quite a bit during his matches w/ Euwe and maybe he was discouraged by what he discovered there for White.  Just a thought...

  
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Re: Slav 6 Ne5 7 ....c5!?
Reply #2 - 11/15/06 at 14:47:10
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So 9. d5 is tried. the previous kacheishivili-rogic game in the database was quite a hoot. 

Anyway, the way Shirov played had a critical look but if that didn't work, i suppose another method for a complicated middlegame is to create the passed d-pawn with 9. d5 exd5 10. exd5 Bd6 11. Nxc4. whereaupon I think the pawn on f3 is slightly odd, but at least takes away some squares from Black, and White's knight on c4 looks nice. Not sure if this is still very much for White though.  Undecided
  
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Re: Slav 6 Ne5 7 ....c5!?
Reply #1 - 11/15/06 at 14:19:37
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I guess that'll be a 'no', then. I thought he might be geting somewhere for a moment, but evidently not.

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Slav 6 Ne5 7 ....c5!?
11/15/06 at 12:10:27
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See the contagion is spreading (after Topa-Kramnik game six). Gelfand has just trotted out 7...c5 against Shirov in the Tal Memorial. Let's see whether Shirov has any better ideas than Topalov.
  
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