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Re: Play 1d4! (Batsford Chess Book) - Richard Pall
Reply #17 - 12/18/06 at 13:01:05
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So what do you recommend after 14...Ndxe5? Because my analysis seems to show that Black is winning. Please enlighten me Smiley
  
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Re: Play 1d4! (Batsford Chess Book) - Richard Pall
Reply #16 - 12/18/06 at 12:28:43
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Interesting analysis. Indeed, I must admit that as an author one always hopes that certain ideas in a book will be much more fully explored by the reader. As John says, 8...0-0 (8...b5 9 Bd3 0-0 as in Hebden-Howell may also reveal some discoveries) may be rare but is certainly quite playable. That said, I don't feel W should have sleepless nights over it - the resulting positions aren't bad for him; it's more that Black has a number of interesting resources, like the one highlighted here, which QGA theory has been rather quick to pass over. The 14...Ndxe5 improvement over Gleizerov-Ganguly looks rather unclear to me, but should definitely have been mentioned! I guess I mainly included that game to highlight a key tactical idea in this line (the Greek gift) and simply didn't analyse enough on move 14. Mea culpa!
  
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Re: Play 1d4! (Batsford Chess Book) - Richard Pall
Reply #15 - 12/18/06 at 12:28:31
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Hello,

Umm now that I have put down in black and white terms what I think, I am not at all sure I am right. Going to have to go back to basics with this Furman var...

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Re: Play 1d4! (Batsford Chess Book) - Richard Pall
Reply #14 - 12/18/06 at 12:19:17
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Hello,

The line follows Gleizerov v Ganguly '99 upto 14 Bc2, basically the only decent players to play 10.Bb3. Would have thought 10.Bd3 a better try for white, then would have to find a way to get an edge against 10...e5, but that should be possible. Thought most Furman var lines with Bb3 where not that dangerous for black, and if white is happy with Bb3 there are no move-order tricks for black to stop this?!

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Re: Play 1d4! (Batsford Chess Book) - Richard Pall
Reply #13 - 12/18/06 at 10:55:03
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So can I know what should be played instead. please? I play this variation and I dont want to be in cold sweat when this appears on board, Thanks.
  
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Re: Play 1d4! (Batsford Chess Book) - Richard Pall
Reply #12 - 12/18/06 at 10:17:23
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I've talked about this with Richard in the past and I think he would agree that he dismissed 8 ...00 a bit easily, although whether for the reason being mentioned or some other I no longer recall.
  
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Re: Play 1d4! (Batsford Chess Book) - Richard Pall
Reply #11 - 12/18/06 at 04:57:12
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Okay, I have managed to find the vaiation now. Indeed, indeed you are right - things don't look so rosy for White. I Hmm....I am going to have to look at this further myself.
  
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Re: Play 1d4! (Batsford Chess Book) - Richard Pall
Reply #10 - 12/18/06 at 01:48:53
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It is. It is one of the sub-variations. Richard put a ?! for 8...0-0
  
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Re: Play 1d4! (Batsford Chess Book) - Richard Pall
Reply #9 - 12/17/06 at 20:25:37
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SSSthepro,

Are you sure this line is in the book? I did a quick check and it certainly is not Timman vs. Lautier and I have not been able to find this line.
  
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Re: Play 1d4! (Batsford Chess Book) - Richard Pall
Reply #8 - 12/17/06 at 10:16:11
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As for 17.Qh5+ Kg8 18. Ndf3, Black has 19...f6 20.Ng6 Bxf3 21.gxf3 Qc6 22.Kg2 Rfd8

And if 17.Qg4, then 17...Nc2 18.Ne4 Be7 19.Bg5 Qxe5 20. Bxe7 Nxe1 21.Ng5+ Kg5 22.Qh5 Of5 23.Bxf8 Nxg2 Black is clearly better. So, what is wrong with this line?
  
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Re: Play 1d4! (Batsford Chess Book) - Richard Pall
Reply #7 - 12/17/06 at 10:03:11
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Bonsai wrote on 12/16/06 at 12:10:45:
Sacapawn wrote on 12/16/06 at 11:56:43:
17.Qh5+ Kg8 18.Ne4 looks better for White

Black has 18...Bxe4 19.Rxe4 f5, which at first seemed really good to me for black, because of the potential fork on c2 and the vulnerable position of the e5 knight. But then the computer found 20.Re1 Nc2 21.Bg5 Nxa1 22.Ng6 Nc2 23.Rc1 (not sure, pretty unclear this situation) or if one just wants a draw 23.Qh8!?+ Kf7 24.Qh5 (and can black dare to deviate?).



After 22.Ng6, there is 22...Bxf2! 23.Kh1(23.Kxf2 Nd3+ 24.Ke3 Nxf4 25.Nxf4 Rad8 and Black has a terrible attack) Qb7 24. Rxel Bxe1 25.Qh8+ Kf7 26. Qh5(following your idea) (26.Ne5+ Ke8 27.Qh5+ Ke7 after some king marching Black can excape. I shall not put it here cos there is not enough space) Bb4! (You have no good discovered checks) 27.Ne5+ Kg8!(27...Ke7 also works, but this is better)28.Ng6 Qe4 You are under attack!!
  
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Re: Play 1d4! (Batsford Chess Book) - Richard Pall
Reply #6 - 12/16/06 at 12:10:45
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Sacapawn wrote on 12/16/06 at 11:56:43:
17.Qh5+ Kg8 18.Ne4 looks better for White

Black has 18...Bxe4 19.Rxe4 f5, which at first seemed really good to me for black, because of the potential fork on c2 and the vulnerable position of the e5 knight. But then the computer found 20.Re1 Nc2 21.Bg5 Nxa1 22.Ng6 Nc2 23.Rc1 (not sure, pretty unclear this situation) or if one just wants a draw 23.Qh8!?+ Kf7 24.Qh5 (and can black dare to deviate?).
  
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Re: Play 1d4! (Batsford Chess Book) - Richard Pall
Reply #5 - 12/16/06 at 11:56:43
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17.Qh5+ Kg8 18.Ne4 looks better for White
  
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Re: Play 1d4! (Batsford Chess Book) - Richard Pall
Reply #4 - 12/16/06 at 10:44:37
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It really doesn't look better for white, but surely black isn't better, either?

What about 14...Ndxe5 15.Nxe5 Nd4 16.Bxh7+ Kxh7 and then 17.Qg4 (when as far as I can see black can basically force a perpetual with 17...Nc2 18.Ne4 Nxe1 19.Qh3 Kg8 20.Nf6+) or 17.Qh5 Kg8 18.Ndf3 which seems pretty unclear to me.

I don't think black is clearly better after 14...Nb4 either. It's not like he's going to immediately win the e5 pawn after 15.Be4 and white still has his space advantage on the kingside.

I however agree that this variation certainly doesn't really explain why 8...0-0 is so uncommon, I'd suggest that there is probably some way to improve the white play between moves 11 and 14 (I sort of think 9.e4 looks like it should be right, it is after all fully in the spirit of the variation, but maybe the timing is wrong?).
  
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Re: Play 1d4! (Batsford Chess Book) - Richard Pall
Reply #3 - 12/16/06 at 09:26:52
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well, I think I found a refutation somewhere, but maybe Mr Palliser or someone else can ehlighten me. If so, please email me at the.rafflesian@gmail.com. 

The question I have is regarding the Furman Variation in the book. I think this is in the first game of the chapter, between Timman and Lautier.

1.d4 d5 2. c4 dxc4 3. Nf3 Nf6 4. e3 e6 5.Bxc4 a6 6. Qe2 c5 7. dxc5 Bxc5 8. 0-0 0-0 9. e4 b5 10. Bb3 Bb7 11. Nbd2 Qc7 12. e5 Nfd7 13. Re1 Nc6 14. Bc2! This is given in the book I think(I cannot remember because I lent the book to someone) and it is written that White is better because White has an attack and if Black is not careful, the bishop will whack h7. However, isn't Black better after 14...Nb4 or the stronger 14...Ndxe5? For example,for the latter, 15. Nxe5 Nd4 16. Qd1 Nxc2 17. Qxc2?? Bxf2+!. I check with my computer but even it cannot find anything and gave - 0.60 to -0.80.


Can someone tell me what is wrong with it? thanks.

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