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Re: Opening Repertoire Books for White
Reply #21 - 12/13/06 at 21:49:38
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Holbox, 

It sounds like what you are looking for is to play lines that would help your overall chess development in a well rounded manner.  The truth is very few repertoire books are geared towards this since they tend either feature off beat lines or gear their lines either towards mainly a positional or attacking bent, rather than a combination.

While I don't have most of the books you are interested in, other than Dyanmic English, it does appear to me that none of these books would be appropriate for your needs. You probably want a book that contains mainlines rather than sidelines and a mix of different pawn structures and a mix of both positional and tactical lines. If that is the case then either Pallisers's" Play d4" or John Cox's "Starting out 1 d4" would properly better suit your needs.
  

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Re: Opening Repertoire Books for White
Reply #20 - 12/13/06 at 21:26:42
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When I started this thread I was hoping that the anwsers will be about the differences  between repertoires, but not about the different openings used, rather in the different knowledge of chess you get, and you need, when you play one repertoire or another. That's the point. Which of the repertoires offers more different and important positions of chess. Which of them improves the learning curve, and which ones slow it. I might be wrong but I think that this is the way I want to take.

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Pd. This is very related with Alias idea, on other thread, of "playing something" implies "avoiding, forcing, losing something".
  

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Re: Opening Repertoire Books for White
Reply #19 - 12/12/06 at 22:29:32
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Great review!! Maybe that book is for me. This is exactly how I win my games. Take a look at my latest "masterpiece": 

1. e4 Nf6 2. Nc3 d5 3. e5 Ne4 4. d4 Nxc3 5. bxc3 Bf5 6. Ba3 Nd7 7. Bd3 Bxd3 8.
Qxd3 e6 9. Bxf8 Kxf8 10. Nf3 Nb6 11. O-O Nc4 12. Nd2 Nxd2 13. Qxd2 h6 14. f4 g6
15. Qf2 h5 16. Rad1 c6 17. Rd3 b5 18. Rh3 Ke7 19. Qh4+ Kd7 20. Qxd8+ Rhxd8 21.
Rd3 Rab8 22. a3 Rb6 23. Rb1 Rdb8 24. Kf2 Ra6 25. Rb3 Ra4 26. Ke3 Rb6 27. Rd1
Rba6 28. Ra1 Rc4 29. g3 Raa4 30. Kd3 a6 31. Rab1 c5 32. dxc5 Kc6 33. Ra1 Kxc5
34. Rb4 d4 35. Rxa4 Rxa4 36. cxd4+ Rxd4+ 37. Kc3 a5 38. Ra2 Rc4+ 39. Kd3 Rd4+
40. Kc3 Rd1 41. Rb2 Rh1 42. a4 b4+ 43. Kb3 Rxh2 44. c3 Rxb2+ 45. Kxb2 Kc4 46.
cxb4 Kxb4 47. Kc2 Kxa4 48. Kc3 Kb5 0-1

As I've said, I already have the book. Don't know if I can play these slow games all the time. It doesn't boost the ego winning like this.
  

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Reply #18 - 12/12/06 at 18:11:59
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Antillian - That review is a masterpiece.

Perhaps you can find one equally good for John Cox's d4 book or if you have found an equally good one on any other let us know!Perhaps a new thread should be set up for the best /worst/most entertaining review!!


Andrew



None stand out right now. But I do come across some classics on the web now and then since I ussually search out the net extensively for reviews before I buy a book. I am sure others have come across some real gems of reviews, maybe such a thread would be good for some good laughs.
  

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Reply #17 - 12/12/06 at 18:09:21
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IMJohnCox wrote on 12/12/06 at 17:21:39:

Of the others mentioned, Palliser’s Play d4 is certainly both solid and well-worked upon, and rather towards the Kaufman end of the scale only with d4. Starting Out d4, naturally, is a masterpiece no serious improver can afford to be without, or whatever I had them write on the back cover.



I have to say that Palliser's Play 1 d4 is unreservedly the best repertoire book i have ever owned. ( I have orderered your book, John, but I have not received it yet, so I cannot comment on it)

It is quite solid, but in several places, it is spcied up with some aggresive lines such as Bf4 against the Benoni and some lines of the Fruman QGA and some of lines in the Slave that resemble the Colle with the kingside attack motifs. 
  

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Re: Opening Repertoire Books for White
Reply #16 - 12/12/06 at 17:47:54
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Kaufman is excellent on the Marshall Gambit. Generally actually his repertoire is quite keen on accepting gambits. He accepts the Goring, for example. The only obvious one he doesn't go for is 3 ....g5 against the King's Gambit.

I think the truth about the Berlin is more that some people will love it and some will hate it. The former will score very well with it; the latter terribly. I don't know that the ideas are that sophisticated; like most openings there are some sophisticated ideas and some of the other kind. It's certainly true that the themes are very different from the Exchange variation and that this is counter-intuitive to one who's been brought up on 3...a6.

The slight paradox about it is that in fact it's frequently very sharp and critical. If you lose as Black, it's normally through a quick breakthrough, not through getting ground. More often than not, White has to get you before you get your fortifications up.
  
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Re: Opening Repertoire Books for White
Reply #15 - 12/12/06 at 17:38:32
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Antillian - That review is a masterpiece.

Perhaps you can find one equally good for John Cox's d4 book or if you have found an equally good one on any other let us know!Perhaps a new thread should be set up for the best /worst/most entertaining review!!

I would never recommend the Berlin  to the average player as it's ideas are very sophisticated  and plans are not that obvious but it should avoid a loss by not knowing theory ! Given the defence to 1e4 , I am shocked by Kaufman daring to allow the Marshall Gambit and the Anti-Moscow variations of the Semi-Slav. I would have thought the Nimzo/Queens Indian would have been more consistent !


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Reply #14 - 12/12/06 at 17:21:39
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LOL, antillian. A bit unfair of course, but captures the spirit of the book quite well. Fine would certainly have diagnosed LK with an Electra complex.

Of the ones mentioned, Summerscale and Kaufman represent opposite ends of the spectrum. Summerscale says himself that when he was 15 he just wanted to get on and play without studying boring opening theory and without actually getting stuffed in the opening (pretty much his style throughout his career, I would say), and that this is the book for the boy he used to be. It’s a fun low-maintenance repertoire with attacking lines which pretty much go for the king. I wouldn’t place too much stress on the fact Mark H plays some of it: if his fellow GMs could choose between playing Mark with Black and virtually any other GM with White, or vice versa, they’d all choose to face his stuff.

Kaufman on the other hand is a very solid, positional repertoire which doesn’t shun simplification (albeit while preserving interesting imbalances) and which retains a reasonable amount of theoretical ambition. You could play it your whole chess-playing career and it’d carry you pretty high; plenty of 2700 players play all of these lines sometimes. You won’t see the Barry Attack at Linares.

I’d say they were both pretty good bits of work in their respective directions: personally I’d go for Kaufman but that’s not a criticism of Summerscale; it depends what you are looking for.

I haven’t seen Sam’s book but I’d expect it to be solid and to have a decent amount of work put into it. I wouldn’t take ‘Attacking’ too seriously; it’s a fairly middle-of-the-road 1 e4 repertoire, but of course the publishers think the word ‘Attacking’ in the title will sell more books. 

Dynamic English is a bit like Summerscale only with c4; cheap ‘n’ cheerful, low-maintenance, good explanations. As aggressive a repertoire as you can expect given you’re starting with c4 and g3. One or two variations perhaps a little optimistically covered, but that’s definitely a fault on the right side. Like antillian I used it religiously when I started playing again and it was fine for that purpose; as you mature you move on, but that’s always the way.

Of the others mentioned, Palliser’s Play d4 is certainly both solid and well-worked upon, and rather towards the Kaufman end of the scale only with d4. Starting Out d4, naturally, is a masterpiece no serious improver can afford to be without, or whatever I had them write on the back cover.

Nigel Davies' Reti book is another interesting white opening repertoire if you like non-critical non-e4/d4 stuff.
  
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Reply #13 - 12/12/06 at 16:52:06
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Speaking of the Kaufman book, I found this hilarious review on amazon.com. It is probably harsh, but funny nonetheless  Grin Here are some excerpts:

"...It is all early endgames and quiet variations. Hey, I like to play endgames, but this repertoire goes way overboard in that direction. You might call it the Stillwater Repertoire. It is for people who despise tactics, hate sharp positions, and cannot stand attacking the opponent's king. It is the Quaker Repertoire. It is the Pacifist's Last Stand. It is the Repertoire for Nodding Off In Math Class.

...Well, they will never face a sharp position against any sucker who plays the Pacifist Repertoire.

With White, Kaufman suggests 1. e4. Against 1. ... e5 Kaufmann recommends the ultra-quiet Exchange Variation of the Ruy Lopez. It could be called the Endgame Variation. Against 1. ... c5 you can play the silent Rossolimo and Moscow variations with Bb5, except after the move-order 1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 e6, when Kaufman varies with the Super-Ultra-Quiet 3. b3. Yes, your main weapons as White will be sustained efforts to bore your opponents to sleep. You can probably guess what will happen against the French: that's right, the Tarrasch, the Quietest One. Ditto for the Pirc (h3 variations), the Caro-Kann (the Advance variation), and Alekhine's Defense (early Be2 and O-O). You could play these lines for a year without attempting one kingside attack.

As you may have guessed, with the Black pieces Kaufmann recommends the quietest first moves for Black: 1. e4 e5, and 1. d4 d5. Your main weapon against 1. e4 will be--you guessed it--the Berlin variation of the Ruy Lopez. Yes, the favorite of Kramnik, a GM noted for continuously drawing, especially with black. Catch Kramnik's new book, "My 60,000 Memorable Draws," where half the games are Berlins. I tried the Berlin Ruy for quite awhile online. It is excruciatingly uncomfortable. Your king can barely move. Your bishops can barely move. Your rooks cannot get out. Oh, and your bishop pair might be worth something by move 144, but probably not, as one of your holy men gets traded long before then. Against the King's Gambit, the Scotch, the Vienna, etc., Kaufmann found lines that rush the queens off the board (perhaps he dislikes queens) and steer directly into Quietville Junction. Keep the rules of chess handy if you take up this repertoire, because periodically you will forget how the queen moves and what she looks like.

Against 1. d4 Kaufman recommends the quietest possible variation of the Semi-Slav, with ... Bd6 against almost everything, which GM Arthur Bisguier has used for decades as a drawing weapon. Most of the Meran variations reviewed by Kaufmann lead to rapid exchanges and early endgames. Kaufmann gives reassurances that you will grind out victories against lower-rated opponents. Not that you will enjoy fighting for the full six hours against an opponent rated 300 points below you, struggling to prove that your bishop is slightly better than his knight, when you know that he would have folded by move 28 had you played a normal opening. If you play this repertoire, you may motivate the tournament organizers to make a special endurance prize, just for you, for being the very last to finish his game in every single round of the tournament...."

Now, I don't have the book and this is only one review. Most other review are fairly good. But this one cracked me up nonetheless  Grin
  

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Reply #12 - 12/12/06 at 16:42:14
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Of course, you don't have to actually play every single variation in a given repertoire book.  For instance, if you chose Kaufman's book, you could play the Tarrasch French, the Short sytem against the Caro, and play something else against the Sicilian.  You'd still be using most of the book, so it wouldn't be a waste.  I don't think there has ever been a repertoire book written where all the lines in it meet the tastes of every player.   

Anyway, the bottom line for openings is deciding what middlegame structures you like.  If you enjoy playing with an IQP, maybe you should play 1.d4 (or at least play lines against the Caro and French that give you IQP positions).  If you prefer chaotic lines where positional considerations take a backseat to tactics and calculations, play 6.Bg5 against the Najdorf, etc.  It's up to you, but you have to be honest with yourself.  For instance, a lot of players like to think they are attacking geniuses and so take up very sharp openings with disastrous results.  Other players think they are creative, ingenious, and with a great understanding of positional nuances, and so they take up the Trompowsky, with similarly poor results.  You really have to be honest with yourself.
  
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Reply #11 - 12/11/06 at 16:58:23
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My opinion about these type of books is that they can be useful for ideas, but ultimately I would never trust them for creating a repertoire - for this some independent work is required. That said, I take the previous point on board.
  
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Reply #10 - 12/11/06 at 15:57:24
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Nothing wrong with choosing your repertoire based on what books are available. There is enough choice out there in repertoire books these days to suit most tastes. Inevitably, you will find that not all recommneded lines in any book are to your taste, so you will not play everything in most cases. But at least you have a good start. It is a sensible and pratical approach.

When I started back playing chess after a ten year break, the Dynamic English was a godsend. I was really a 1. d4 player and would have prefered to play that. But  at the time there were no good up to date 1 d4 repertoire books available. Without a good repertoire book to start with , I would have had a much harder landing in the rough and tumble world of competitive chess with all those young sharks, so I made a pratical choice. It really is a lot of work to build a good repertoire from scratch and takes a lot of resources. Not everyone has those time or resources.
  

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Reply #9 - 12/11/06 at 15:15:41
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I think you should choose openings depending on which openings you want to play, rather than to which repertoire books are available


Ok. However is easier to get any worked repertoire and repeat it like/as a monkey than to start inventing one of your taste. I mean why not to take advantage of previous work done. I'm just starting to play chess, I'm far away from a true understanding of the game, and I want to taste some different ways of playing before to decide what to play.   

I have found my way with black, Pirc/KID, after toying with some defences. I hope to feel the same with white, that's all.

  

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Reply #8 - 12/11/06 at 09:47:39
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I think you should choose openings depending on which openings you want to play, rather than to which repertoire books are available. As I have some of the books, I will make some comments.

I've used Kosten's book for several years. It's quite good. Many players don't meet the english that often, especially not with early g3. Often white gets a small but comfortable opening advantage. However, there are quite many lines in the book I don't like and it's rather thin on other lines. Maybe this is the case for all repertoire books. 

I used Collins' book in a CC tournament, scoring 4.5/5 as white. The choices lines does have a rather coherent feeling. The book has a rather 'thin' feeling, though. It could be a starting point, but you'd probably need books of the different lines, or do your own studies of games, in order to have a complete repertoire.

The Kaufman book feels a  bit more thorough, although I've seen some gaps, such as 1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nd2 Be7 4.e5 Nh6, which is not mentioned. Many of the lines aim for small advantages, such as the exchange Ruy Lopez. The Scotch (of Collins' book) is more ambitious, though not necessarily better.

The Summerscale book is on d-pawn specials, which I'm not a big fan of.

I would say that these books are mostly aiming to players with lower rating than 2200. All of these books/openings could be used at 2200 but I would imaging a more ambitious opening repertoire would be helpful to reach 2200.
  

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Reply #7 - 12/11/06 at 09:07:00
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I've said this before, your study so much opening material your poor old brain hasn't had time to recover and you seem to be switching from one line to another before you given yourself time to absorb the new lines.

I think that you'd be far better spending your time going through your games to see where you made your mistakes and in what positions  you played well. Although it's easier said than done, once you know the latter,it should be a lot easier to find lines that suit your game whether they are main line or slightly off beat.

Final observation- I hope that when you've been studying, that you have been looking for the ideas/plans behind the openings rather than just learning the moves. Otherwise, I think that you have been wasting your time !

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