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Re: Stonewall or Leningrad?
Reply #28 - 06/10/08 at 15:58:54
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@ rossia

I also like to move my "f" pawn, but I hate running into deep preparations Smiley. That's why I choose 1.d4 c5 2.d5 f5 or

1.d4 g6
2.c4 Bg7
3.Nc3 c5
4.d5 Bxc3
5.bxc3 f5 with a nice black game Smiley

If you like funny games, test it !!! Smiley
  
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Reply #27 - 06/09/08 at 12:09:10
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My power horse is named LENINGRAD  Cool
  
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Re: Stonewall or Leningrad?
Reply #26 - 06/09/08 at 11:22:15
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Funny. Afaik anything is fine against the Clarendon Court ...
  
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Re: Stonewall or Leningrad?
Reply #25 - 06/08/08 at 23:34:24
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[td]If one plays 1...f5 one wants to win.
I believe one has winning chances with black in all three main systems : StoneWall, Classical and Leningrad.
I guess the chance of running into someone's preparation is bigger in the classical, while the other systems offer much more variations.
I advise you to start with the classical or stonewall and, after a while, to have a look at the Leningrad. To have three of such openings in one's repertoire makes it fun playing against 1.d4. [/td]

You forget the "Chaos-Line"  Roll Eyes

1.d4 c5
2.d5 f5    "preparation" types are out there and i know, because i'm one of them  Smiley
  
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Re: Stonewall or Leningrad?
Reply #24 - 03/31/08 at 19:30:24
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Hi Rossia,
I play 1.e4 e5 or 1.e4 c6. Maybe this shows both our preferences for more open positions than tend to arise from the Stonewall. I find the sharper, more fluid Leningrad lines much more attractive.
  
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Re: Stonewall or Leningrad?
Reply #23 - 03/29/08 at 19:46:50
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I meet 1.e4 with 1....e5 and 1....c5.  Cool Cool Cool
  
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Re: Stonewall or Leningrad? and a6 Slav !
Reply #22 - 03/29/08 at 14:49:22
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Hi Rossia,
Our repertoires nearly meet. I am an a6 Slav player who is adding the Dutch Leningrad. Good luck to you !

P.S. How do you meet 1.e4 ?
  
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Reply #21 - 03/28/08 at 21:42:29
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this is the thread I was thinking of:
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1098049385/15
  
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Re: Stonewall or Leningrad?
Reply #20 - 03/28/08 at 21:29:15
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Matemax wrote on 03/28/08 at 20:36:58:
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I am not afraid to counter the Lisitsin

I am  Shocked - this is why I dont play 1.Nf3 f5 - what is your suggestion? Especially against 2.d3

I am still waiting for someone to play 2..Nc6 3.d4!? against me - following a plan suggested in another thread on the forum...
  
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Re: Stonewall or Leningrad?
Reply #19 - 03/28/08 at 20:45:21
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To be fair : I didn't look at 2.d3 in detail, but I know it is covered in books on the dutch from Williams, Kindermann, ... They suggest 2...d6. After 3.e4 e5 I don't believe black is worse.
  
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Re: Stonewall or Leningrad?
Reply #18 - 03/28/08 at 20:36:58
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I am not afraid to counter the Lisitsin

I am  Shocked - this is why I dont play 1.Nf3 f5 - what is your suggestion? Especially against 2.d3
  
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Re: Stonewall or Leningrad?
Reply #17 - 03/28/08 at 19:48:20
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@bogojump : The theory of the StoneWall as well of the Classical is very minimal. I cannot think of another opening against 1.d4 which is less theoretical. Okay, there might be some, but it's not too easy to think of one.
The leningrad consists of a little more theory but nott too much. Very often, it comes down on playing Qe8/c6/Na6/Nc7/Bd7/Rb8 and knowing the main ideas like e5/h6/b5/... 
It cannot be compared with any Indian defence, or Slav, ... which are much more difficult to play.

@ bonsai : Why not play 1...f5 against 1.c4 or 1.Nf3? I don't believe there is any varation after one of these openings moves where it is better for white not to play d4 and go to the main lines. After examining all the possibilities white has to avoid the main lines (with g3), I am not afraid to counter the Lisitsin, Staunton, 2.Bg5 or 2.Nc3.
  
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Re: Stonewall or Leningrad?
Reply #16 - 03/28/08 at 18:35:45
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I have decided to play LENINGRAD VARIATION, it's so good!

My second weapon is SEMI-SLAV.

Please read what wrote Mr. Kindermann to me:


"As for a second weapon I am using myself the Slaw with 4…a6 since several years with good success. It can be used against 1.c4 (1…c6) and 1.Nf3 as well.  Its very stable and even after one mistake you aren’t blown away. Still it yields good chances for counterattacks. Also its much less theory than the fashionable Semislaw. You can study the games of Bacrot and Movsesian, Dautov and Volkov als main adherents, but its also used by many other Top-Players from time to time.

Its good to use the Leningrad when you are in creative, competitive mood, as it often requires bold and original decisions, while you should use the Slaw when you want to be on the safe side. Anyway its always good to change openings to paralyse the opponents preparation." 



Finally I succeeded in creating my repertoire against 1.d4 & Co. Thanks God.

I wish best of luck to all you my friends who are looking for best answer against closed games.

Zivjeli!!!  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
  
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Re: Stonewall or Leningrad?
Reply #15 - 03/28/08 at 17:45:26
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Bogojump wrote on 03/28/08 at 17:36:22:
Yes it would be difficult for white to prepare against you if you play all three. But would it not be tough theoretically to do so ? There are several system in every variation you have to face.

I think there's also the problem that they are very different variations and even against the anti-dutch move orders one often needs to react differently depending on what one is angling for (e.g. 1.c4 e6 or 1.Nf3 e6 is not an option for a Leningrad player, while 1.Nf3 d6 is not right for a Stonewallist...).
  
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Re: Stonewall or Leningrad?
Reply #14 - 03/28/08 at 17:36:22
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Nightlamp wrote on 03/28/08 at 16:52:28:
If one plays 1...f5 one wants to win.
I believe one has winning chances with black in all three main systems : StoneWall, Classical and Leningrad. 
I guess the chance of running into someone's preparation is bigger in the classical, while the other systems offer much more variations.
I advise you to start with the classical or stonewall and, after a while, to have a look at the Leningrad. To have three of such openings in one's repertoire makes it fun playing against 1.d4.


Yes it would be difficult for white to prepare against you if you play all three. But would it not be tough theoretically to do so ? There are several system in every variation you have to face.
  
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