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Re: What do you play versus 3. a3?
Reply #28 - 07/30/09 at 22:00:25
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One tidbit:  I notice that my suggested 7...g6 (in line a, by either move order) was played in a game between GMs (Meister-Poluljahov 2001) which was apparently agreed drawn after 8. e3 Bf5 9. Bd3 Bxd3 10. Qxd3 0-0 11. Bxf6 (11. Nf3 could end up transposing to a Larsen-Geller game that I associate with this kind of line) Bxf6.
  
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Re: What do you play versus 3. a3?
Reply #27 - 07/30/09 at 21:34:09
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So much the better. Systematical comparing with the regular Exchange should answer your question. I have noticed one advantage of the early a2-a3. Lines with Nb8-a6 are pretty pointless. So at the moment I think simple development of the King's Wing is Black's most straightforward equalizer. There might be other, more ambitious options.

raspoutine wrote on 07/30/09 at 16:34:17:

1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.a3 d5 4.cxd5 exd5 5.Bg5
a) c6 6.Qc2 Be7 7 Nc3 0-0 etc where I don't see any problem for white.


Either this is a typo and you mean "Black" or you are happy to equalize with White after 7 moves.  Huh
  

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Re: What do you play versus 3. a3?
Reply #26 - 07/30/09 at 16:34:17
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MNb wrote on 07/30/09 at 02:21:42:
This one you should be able to answer yourself, don't you think?
1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.a3 d5 4.cxd5 exd5 5.Nc3
a) 5...c6 6.Qc2 Be7 (g6 7.Bg5 Bf5 8.Qb3) 7.Bg5 0-0 8.e3 and I don't think a2-a3 is more useful than Ng1-f3 or Lf1-d3. So 8...Bg4 must be good enough.
b) 5...Bf5 6.Qb3 Nc6.

Thanks.
I want to be sure that Kilemeister was considering the same move order than me.
And in fact I was considering another:
1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.a3 d5 4.cxd5 exd5 5.Bg5
a) c6 6.Qc2 Be7 7 Nc3 0-0 etc where I don't see any problem for white.
b) Bf5 6. Qb3 and Nc6 is - in my opinion- dubious.

I insist i was not waiting passively a solution!

Finally I would to add that I'm an exchange QGD player.
This is the reason why I'm looking a solution in this line with a quick 3.a3
  
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Re: What do you play versus 3. a3?
Reply #25 - 07/30/09 at 07:06:21
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Before the sequence Bd3 dc4, the little waiting game occurs quite often: a3, Re8...

I wouldn't say it bamboozles the evaluation, which is: Black must still get out his bishop.
  
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Re: What do you play versus 3. a3?
Reply #24 - 07/30/09 at 06:33:01
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Uruk wrote on 07/30/09 at 05:42:04:

No need to exchange anyway, a3 is useful in the Orthodox  Smiley


Well, aside from the other possibilities Black would have in that case, I think that a3 in the Orthodox (like in Alekhine-Capablanca, m/34 1927) is generally considered as leading to equality, and suboptimal for White.
  
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Re: What do you play versus 3. a3?
Reply #23 - 07/30/09 at 05:42:04
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No need to exchange anyway, a3 is useful in the Orthodox  Smiley
  
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Re: What do you play versus 3. a3?
Reply #22 - 07/30/09 at 03:21:22
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7...g6 in MNb's variation (a) would be pretty natural; it's the standard move in the comparable position in which White has in Nf3 instead of a3, and the attempt to make use of the changed situation by 8. f3 with the idea 8...Bf5 9. e4 looks doubtful.
  
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Re: What do you play versus 3. a3?
Reply #21 - 07/30/09 at 02:21:42
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This one you should be able to answer yourself, don't you think?
1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.a3 d5 4.cxd5 exd5 5.Nc3
a) 5...c6 6.Qc2 Be7 (g6 7.Bg5 Bf5 8.Qb3) 7.Bg5 0-0 8.e3 and I don't think a2-a3 is more useful than Ng1-f3 or Lf1-d3. So 8...Bg4 must be good enough.
b) 5...Bf5 6.Qb3 Nc6.
  

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Re: What do you play versus 3. a3?
Reply #20 - 07/30/09 at 01:26:02
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kylemeister wrote on 07/26/09 at 04:05:34:
raspoutine wrote on 07/26/09 at 03:01:20:
I wonder if we can play an exchange variation of the QGD after 3.a3.
I remember that Kasparov played the exchange variation (with Kne2 and f3) against Short and had included a3 and b4 in order to avoid the rupture c6-c5.
See: http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1070687




But White can't spend a tempo on an early a3 and then expect to reach a standard Exchange position.  Black might exploit this by getting in ...Bf5, for example.  


Thanks for your reply.
Yes probably Bf5 has to be played (Qb3 doesn't threat nothing).
But when do you play it?
Do you play first c6 for example?

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Re: What do you play versus 3. a3?
Reply #19 - 07/27/09 at 21:25:41
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Its going to be hard for Black to "prove" that a3 is a horrible move.
Because it isn't.   It's a useful little move.
But it's also clearly not the best use of the tempo.  

I don't see that Black is can be any worse after 3...d5 with typical QGD stuff where White is effectively a tempo down (or "half-tempo").  
White isn't worse, and black needs to be sensible to this. 

I remember Mickey Adams describing 1.d4 d5 2.Bg5!? this way.
Basically, its completely playable since White isn't worse, but most strong players would be happy to see it as Black since they don't need to fight so hard to equalize. 
I think the same applies to this 3.a3 Smiley  
  

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Re: What do you play versus 3. a3?
Reply #18 - 07/27/09 at 02:15:33
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Even if Black cooperates, leaves the bishop on c8 and plays ...Nbd7, 3.a3 in the Exchange might be a loss of tempo if Black answers b2-b4 with ...a7-a6.
  

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Re: What do you play versus 3. a3?
Reply #17 - 07/26/09 at 04:05:34
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raspoutine wrote on 07/26/09 at 03:01:20:
I wonder if we can play an exchange variation of the QGD after 3.a3.
I remember that Kasparov played the exchange variation (with Kne2 and f3) against Short and had included a3 and b4 in order to avoid the rupture c6-c5.
See: http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1070687




But White can't spend a tempo on an early a3 and then expect to reach a standard Exchange position.  Black might exploit this by getting in ...Bf5, for example.
  
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Re: What do you play versus 3. a3?
Reply #16 - 07/26/09 at 03:01:20
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I wonder if we can play an exchange variation of the QGD after 3.a3.
I remember that Kasparov played the exchange variation (with Kne2 and f3) against Short and had included a3 and b4 in order to avoid the rupture c6-c5.
See: http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1070687


  
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Re: What do you play versus 3. a3?
Reply #15 - 05/21/09 at 20:01:13
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HoemberChess wrote on 05/13/09 at 10:35:31:
Is there another topic on this subject?
Which setup is recommended "in the books" against 3.a3(?) ?


I take it then that you are not a subscriber? John Emms featured 3 a3 in his April 09 update.

The late great Tony Miles once played 3 a3 in an important game in the 1979 Riga Interzonal against Ribli - and lost after Ribli got an easy game by playing 3...d5 and then transposing into the QGA. But funnily enough when Miles had to face 3 a3 with Black three years later in the Vancouver Open he chose 3...c5; this could be the famous "fear of improvement syndrome" but more likely he wanted something sharper against a lower rated player in an open event, where winning with Black is more important than it is in an all-play-all or a match.
  
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Re: What do you play versus 3. a3?
Reply #14 - 05/20/09 at 17:11:32
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I have previously reached Tarrasch-like positions through two move orders:
1.Nf3 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nc3 c5 4.e3 Nc6 5.d4 d5
1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nf3 c5 4.e3 d5 5.Nc3 Nc6

Neither of these are very probable, firstly because they involve White avoiding the main lines, and secondly because in both cases, I play 3...c5 only occasionally. However, several other lines in my repertoire can lead to similar IQP positions, with either colour. I feel more confident in those positions than in certain critical lines in the NID/QID/Catalan.
  
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