parisestmagique wrote on 02/08/07 at 09:20:15:

At first view I also thought that Black should be OK. But looking at those 2 games (Akopian and Adianto), I must go to the constatation that the black King and black's Q-side pawns are getting slowly under pressure and that black is not able to obtain satisfactory counter-play in these positions. This is only a first conclusion (I did not take the time to analyse these games), and maybe black just did not find the right continuation. So I would say your continuation is playable but black should await difficult games.

parisestmagique wrote on 02/07/07 at 16:00:47:

I am not such a specialist of this variation (I play 8...-a5 in place of Na6), but according to what I can find at chessgames.com (9. Rb1-Nc5 10. b4-Nce4 11. Bb2-e5 12. de6-Be6) white has a (very) good game. There are two games (Adianto - Xiao Wang, 1999, continuing with 13.Nd2 and Akopian - Vasiukov, 1994, continuing with 13.Ne4) and in both cases, it seems that black gets into big problems on the 7th rank.

Exactly. 
Often these h4-h5 attacks are followed by an exchange sac on h5 and an important Q-check on h5

...and when white has castled (0-0) it you that should attack

chk wrote on 01/30/07 at 12:13:06:


Well....
Until white has played Nf3 u should always watch out for h2-h4-h5

TalJechin wrote on 01/30/07 at 12:28:24:


I also prefer the system with an early d6 in place of g6 against d4-c4-Nc3, black gets a good game and the risk of being crushed by a wild K-side attack is quite reduced. 

I don't have Minev's book, but I rate Kindermann's book much higher than the ones by Pedersen and Beim. I read the german edition of Kindermann's book from cover to cover, something I seldom do with opening books. The english version is improved. Some added lines and some improvements (for both sides) are included. Actually, the german edition was perhaps to 'rosy'. Many of the new lines address white tries which are quite promising and difficult to handle.

Like yo, I also feel more comfortable in the main lines than in sidelines. And like many here, I think that the non-g3 set-ups are somewhat neglected in literature. I've lost a few times to Bg5, e3-set-ups. Bf4 systems are not so good because if black manages to play e5 (which mostly is done) then he's often better.

thibdb13 wrote on 01/30/07 at 08:02:39:


I don't have Minev's book either, but my experience is that none of the books on the dutch really look into the unusual lines as there's simply more than enough to fill a book with common lines.

My advice is that you sit down with a board and try to figure things out for yourself, finding inspiration in the database and/or from a friend to analyse with, wouldn't hurt either. 

Usually it doesn't take an Einstein to know what you want to do against different ideas - e.g. against a d4, Bf4, e3 set-up playing for e7-e5 is usually the antidote - so it's mainly about finding good move orders and getting to know the resulting positions so you get an idea of when e.g. white's h-pawn rush is dangerous and when it's just wasting time. 

- This is simply necessary if you want to play the Dutch and the Leningrad, or any sharp opening. Btw, don't forget to look at the various dutch threads here on chesspub, as we've discussed similar questions many times over the years...

I don't know Minev's book, so I will not judge it, but you should really buy yourself Pedersen's excellent The Leningrad for the Attacking Player. It has clear explanation on all the finesses.
According to other regular Leningrad practicer's both Kindermann's and Beim's book also are good.