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IMJohnCox God Member Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 1551 Location: London Joined: 01/28/06 Gender:	Re: OK, you're a 2700 player and .... Reply #20 - 02/16/07 at 13:25:40	Post Tools	Print Post
	Yikes. Although I find these positions with rooks' pawns deceptive too - you can have SUCH a dominating position (as here) and still not win because the other feller's remaining pawn is so well advanced. I certainly find them hard to judge by eye. Although you would think someone of Timman's experience and interest in the endgame would have managed better even in what was presumably a blitz finish.


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Dink Heckler God Member Offline Love-Forty Posts: 902 Joined: 02/01/07 Gender:	Re: OK, you're a 2700 player and .... Reply #19 - 02/14/07 at 18:40:06	Post Tools	Print Post
	There's a funny example in the latest NIC of Timman transposing from a totally won minor piece ending into a trivially drawn pawn ending: Timman - Adianto, Jakarta 2006 Wh: Kd4, Nd5, Pa4,c5,h2 Bl: Kb7, Bc8, Pa5,h4 White eschewed Ke5 in favour of the flashy 45 c6+?? etc ...after 52 Kh4 Kf4, draw agreed. What could he have been thinking?

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Keano God Member Offline Money doesn't talk, it swears. Posts: 2928 Location: Toulouse Joined: 05/25/05 Gender:	Re: OK, you're a 2700 player and .... Reply #18 - 02/12/07 at 16:07:11	Post Tools	Print Post
	The 30 second a move finish with all the moves in 1.5 hrs is a ridiculous time-limit I have to admit. It is still chess, but why ruin the game like this? I´m not saying all games should be 6 or 7 hour marathon sesssions but there must be a middle ground somewhere


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IMJohnCox God Member Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 1551 Location: London Joined: 01/28/06 Gender:	Re: OK, you're a 2700 player and .... Reply #17 - 02/08/07 at 13:07:54	Post Tools	Print Post
	Chamberpots are the way forward, Tony.


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GMTonyKosten YaBB Administrator Offline Mr Dynamic? Posts: 3199 Location: Clermont-Ferrand Joined: 12/19/02 Gender:	Re: OK, you're a 2700 player and .... Reply #16 - 02/08/07 at 13:06:18	Post Tools	Print Post
	Missed a win myself in an endgame (although rather more complicated) last Saturday in the Basque league, these 30 second a move finishes are horrible, you lose a number of seconds and part of your concentration writing the move down, and as Glenn Flear pointed out: what do you do if you want to go to the toilet? Who are the idiots who decide these things?


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JonHecht Senior Member Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 345 Joined: 01/17/07	Re: OK, you're a 2700 player and .... Reply #15 - 02/08/07 at 05:25:11	Post Tools	Print Post
	Willempie wrote on 02/07/07 at 13:54:22: So contrary to popular opinion, the best way to beat a GM is to head for the endgame asap Well, I've always known that. I just can't win when I get there. I should be able to beat a GM in endgame, shouldn't I?


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Alias God Member Offline Posts: 1512 Location: East of the river Svartån Joined: 11/19/04	Re: OK, you're a 2700 player and .... Reply #14 - 02/07/07 at 15:19:38	Post Tools	Print Post
	Engines? This is table base. Once I sent the link to the on-line Nalimov database in a CC game together with my draw offer.

	Don't check me with no lightweight stuff.
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Willempie God Member Offline I love ChessPublishing .com! Posts: 4312 Location: Holland Joined: 01/07/05	Re: OK, you're a 2700 player and .... Reply #13 - 02/07/07 at 13:54:22	Post Tools	Print Post
	So contrary to popular opinion, the best way to beat a GM is to head for the endgame asap

	If nothing else works, a total pig-headed unwillingness to look facts in the face will see us through.
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chk God Member Offline a pawn is a pawn Posts: 1063 Location: Athens Joined: 10/26/06 Gender:	Re: OK, you're a 2700 player and .... Reply #12 - 02/07/07 at 13:45:52	Post Tools	Print Post
	Actually you seem to be right!: 58.Ka6 Kc7 59.b5 Kb8 60.Kb6 e4 61.Kc5 f4 62.Kd4 e3 1/2-1/2

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Willempie God Member Offline I love ChessPublishing .com! Posts: 4312 Location: Holland Joined: 01/07/05	Re: OK, you're a 2700 player and .... Reply #11 - 02/07/07 at 13:36:52	Post Tools	Print Post
	chk wrote on 02/07/07 at 13:34:09: Sorry John but I see a draw again!: 58.Ka6 e4 59.b5 f4 60.b6 e3 (61.fxe3 fxe3) 62.b7 e2 63.b8=Q+ P.S.: Thanks for restoring my sanity! 58 Ka6 Kc7 is a bit less complicated to get the draw

	If nothing else works, a total pig-headed unwillingness to look facts in the face will see us through.
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chk God Member Offline a pawn is a pawn Posts: 1063 Location: Athens Joined: 10/26/06 Gender:	Re: OK, you're a 2700 player and .... Reply #10 - 02/07/07 at 13:34:09	Post Tools	Print Post
	Sorry John but I see a draw again!: 58.Ka6 e4 59.b5 f4 60.b6 e3 (61.fxe3 fxe3) 62.b7 e2 63.b8=Q+ P.S.: Thanks for restoring my sanity!

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IMJohnCox God Member Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 1551 Location: London Joined: 01/28/06 Gender:	Re: OK, you're a 2700 player and .... Reply #9 - 02/07/07 at 13:28:55	Post Tools	Print Post
	Ptero, that's not how it did end of course but how it should have ended (the moves you give are how White should have won and the finishing position winning for White, I think?). Malakhov played the rather inept 61 Ke5? Mig does say 57...f5 draws; his line is 58 Kc4 Kc6 59 b5+ Kd6 60 Kb4 e4 =, but I'm momentarily struggling to see why 60 b6 Kc6 61 b7 Kxb7 62 Kd5 doesn't win. No doubt there's some excellent reason which I'd be obliged if some capable person could point out. Like 62....e4 63 Ke5 Kc6 64 Kxf5 Kd5, of course. Wonderful what a moment's thought before posting can sometimes achieve....


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chk God Member Offline a pawn is a pawn Posts: 1063 Location: Athens Joined: 10/26/06 Gender:	Re: OK, you're a 2700 player and .... Reply #8 - 02/07/07 at 13:26:18	Post Tools	Print Post
	Am I seeing double?? Where's the draw?!?!? Must be my job that is killing me..

	"I play honestly and I play to win. If I lose, I take my medicine." - Bobby
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Ptero Full Member Offline When all else fails, read the instructions. Posts: 220 Joined: 03/22/06	Re: OK, you're a 2700 player and .... Reply #7 - 02/07/07 at 13:18:45	Post Tools	Print Post
	[Event "Moscow Open 2007"] [Site "Moscow"] [Date ""] [Round "7"] [White "Malakhov, Vladimir"] [Black "Najer, Evgeniy"] [Result "1/2-1/2"] [Eco "C54"] 1.e4 e5 2.Bc4 Nf6 3.d3 Nc6 4.Nf3 Bc5 5.c3 a6 6.Bb3 Ba7 7.Nbd2 O-O 8.h3 d6 9.Nf1 d5 10.Qe2 dxe4 11.dxe4 Be6 12.Ng3 Bxb3 13.axb3 Qd7 14.O-O Qe6 15.b4 h6 16.Nh4 Ne7 17.Qf3 Ng6 18.Nhf5 Rfd8 19.Be3 Bb6 20.Rad1 Kh7 21.Bc1 Ne7 22.Kh2 Nxf5 23.Nxf5 c5 24.bxc5 Bxc5 25.g4 Qc6 26.Ng3 Be7 27.g5 hxg5 28.Bxg5 g6 29.Rg1 Rxd1 30.Qxd1 Qe6 31.Bc1 Rd8 32.Qf3 Rd7 33.Kg2 a5 34.Qe2 Qd6 35.Be3 Qc6 36.Bc1 Qd6 37.Qc4 Bd8 38.Be3 Qd3 39.Qxd3 Rxd3 40.Kf3 Bb6 41.Ke2 Rd6 42.Ra1 Bxe3 43.Kxe3 b6 44.Ne2 Kh6 45.b4 axb4 46.cxb4 Kg5 47.Ra8 Rc6 48.Rb8 Rc4 49.h4+ Kxh4 50.Rxb6 Rxe4+ 51.Kd3 Kg5 52.Rxf6 Rxe2 53.Rxg6+ Kxg6 54.Kxe2 Kf5 55.Kd3 Ke6 56.Kc4 Kd6 57.Kb5 e4 58.Kc4 Kc6 59.Kd4 Kb5 60.Kxe4 Kxb4 61.Kd4 Kb5 62.Kd5 Kb6 63.Kd6 Kb5 64.f4 Kc4 65.f5 Kd4 66.f6 Ke4 67.Ke7 1/2-1/2 http://www.jinchess.com/chessboard/pos=8/5p2/3k4/1K2p3/1P6/8/5P2/8%20b%20-%20- 57...f5 (instead of 57...e4?) draws (I think this was pointed out at Mig's site)


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IMJohnCox God Member Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 1551 Location: London Joined: 01/28/06 Gender:	Re: OK, you're a 2700 player and .... Reply #6 - 02/07/07 at 13:18:16	Post Tools	Print Post
	Malakhov-Najer, Moscow open. (Black won the tournament after holding this endgame). In fact it was a draw a couple of moves earlier, but Najer blundered also.


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