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Re: Ivanchuk-Topalov
Reply #29 - 08/06/08 at 21:18:18
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unknown_master wrote on 06/01/07 at 17:44:46:

1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 a6 6.Be3 e5 7.Nf3 Be7 8.Bc4 0-0 9.0-0 Be6 10.Bxe6!? fxe6 11.Na4 Nfd7 12.Qd3 b5 13.Nc3! [ 13.Qb3? bxa4 14.Qb7 Rxf3! 15.gxf3 Bg5 =+] 13...Nf6 14.a4! b4 15.Ne2 Nc6 [ 15...Ng4 16.Qb3 Qd7 17.Qxb4 Nxe3 18.fxe3 +=] 16.a5!? d5 17.Ng5 dxe4 18.Qb3 Qd5 19.Nxe6 Qxb3 20.cxb3 Rfc8 21.Ng3 +=

Where should Black improve? Let's help Mr. Kolev a little bit, so he doesn't have to do the whole job on his own...



17...dxe5? has to be a mistake. 17...Qc8 looks good for Black. How does White deal with black's center, and the threat of play ...d4, when White's pieces all look embarrassing?
  
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Re: Ivanchuk-Topalov
Reply #28 - 07/31/08 at 16:38:33
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I've been considering adopting this line as White, since OTB it was one of the more difficult ones for me to face as Black. Any new developments in this line recently?
  
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Re: Ivanchuk-Topalov
Reply #27 - 10/07/07 at 11:01:57
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Now the updated version of the sharpest Sicilian - http://chess-stars.com/graphics/eshop/books_special/Sharp_corrections.pdf -gives the variation 10. Bxe6!? fxe6 11. Na4 Nfd7! 12. Qd3 b5 13. Nc3 (of course!) Nf6 (I also came to the conclusion that Black has nothing better. In the following game Mr. Palliser tried the move 13.. Qc8) 14. a4 b4 15. Ne2 Nc6 and here Mr. Kolev thinks that the position is equal without giving further analyses. In my comments above I suggested the move 16. a5!? and I still don't think that Black has solved his problems (the very next move would have been the most interesting and difficult). The questions remain...


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1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 a6 6.Be3 e5 7.Nf3 Be7 8.Bc4 0-0 9.0-0 Be6 10.Bxe6 fxe6 11.Na4 Nfd7 12.Qd3 b5 13.Nc3 Qc8 14.a4 b4 15.Nd5 Bd8 16.Nxb4 a5 17.Na2 Be7 18.Qb3 Nf6 19.Ng5 Na6 20.Nc3 Rb8 21.Nb5 d5 22.Ba7 Rb7 23.Qh3 Re8 24.c3 h6 25.Nf3 Nc7 26.Nxc7 Qxc7 27.Qxe6+ Kh8 28.Be3 Ba3 29.Qf5 Bxb2 30.Rad1 dxe4 31.Nh4 Qc8 32.Rd6 Qxf5 33.Nxf5 Ng4 34.Bd2 Rf8 35.h3 Rxf5 36.hxg4 Rff7 37.Rb1 Ba3 38.Rxb7 Rxb7 39.Rd5 Rb2 40.Be3 Ra2 41.Rxa5 Bb2 42.Rxe5 Rxa4 43.Bd4 Kg8 44.Re7 Kf8 45.Rb7 1-0

  
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Re: Ivanchuk-Topalov
Reply #26 - 06/08/07 at 21:25:39
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Well... As the Ivanchuk game was played a few weeks after the printout of the sharpest Sicilian Mr. Kolev isn't obliged to give out anything. Besides, all the analyses are of highest quality.
So far everything seems okay with the lines mentioned in the book and the Ivanchuk-Topalov game is one of the few problems one has to solve on his own.
I think there's only one variation which was forgotten in the book. After 6. Be2 e5 7. Nb3 Be7 8. 0-0 0-0 the move 9. Qd3 is not mentioned at all. It's a very tricky move and there have been quite a lot of games played with it and it's getting more and more popoular on GM-level. I would be happy to get some advice but I guess I should start another thread...
  
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Re: Ivanchuk-Topalov
Reply #25 - 06/03/07 at 09:33:00
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Richard, Kolev is in many aspects quite ahead of this thread, but how much he would like to share, is another matter. He plays that with both colours, especially in rapids.
  
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Re: Ivanchuk-Topalov
Reply #24 - 06/01/07 at 17:44:46
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1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 a6 6.Be3 e5 7.Nf3 Be7 8.Bc4 0-0 9.0-0 Be6 10.Bxe6!? fxe6 11.Na4 Nfd7 12.Qd3 b5 13.Nc3! [ 13.Qb3? bxa4 14.Qb7 Rxf3! 15.gxf3 Bg5 =+] 13...Nf6 14.a4! b4 15.Ne2 Nc6 [ 15...Ng4 16.Qb3 Qd7 17.Qxb4 Nxe3 18.fxe3 +=] 16.a5!? d5 17.Ng5 dxe4 18.Qb3 Qd5 19.Nxe6 Qxb3 20.cxb3 Rfc8 21.Ng3 +=

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Re: Ivanchuk-Topalov
Reply #23 - 06/01/07 at 14:43:22
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Semko - welcome news. Presumably Kolev's seen this thread?
  
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Re: Ivanchuk-Topalov
Reply #22 - 05/31/07 at 19:43:01
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There will be an article from Kolev in the next New in Chess Yearbook, but I do not know when it will appear. The article is devoted to
11.Na4 Nfd7 with a satisfactory game.
  
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Re: Ivanchuk-Topalov
Reply #21 - 05/31/07 at 11:25:55
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GMTonyKosten wrote on 05/28/07 at 13:14:09:
If so, then that suggests 10 Bxe6 and 11 Na4 is a mistake - I wonder what Ivanchuk had in mind? Undecided



11... Nfd7 12. Qd3 b5 and White still can go back with 13. Nc3. And if now Black has nothing better than to play 13... Nf6 the b5-move may turn out to be a weakness and White will continue with a4.
(Compare to the position with the position after 11. Qd3 where Black doesn't play b5 but a normal development move like Nc6)
  
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Re: Ivanchuk-Topalov
Reply #20 - 05/28/07 at 13:14:09
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If so, then that suggests 10 Bxe6 and 11 Na4 is a mistake - I wonder what Ivanchuk had in mind? Undecided
  
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Re: Ivanchuk-Topalov
Reply #19 - 05/27/07 at 22:50:17
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GMTonyKosten wrote on 05/27/07 at 22:42:21:
lnn2 wrote on 03/18/07 at 15:06:17:
11... Nfd7 12. Qd3 b5 13. Qb3 bxa4 line is hilarious, already scored some points for me on internet blitz Smiley

What happens after 14 Qb7, does White lose?


He doesn't lose but Black has the powerful Fritz! rejoinder 14...Rxf3!! with the neat point being that 15.QxR is met by 15...Rxe3 intending 16.fxe3 Qc7 followed by Nb6 trapping the white queen. So, white has to go 15.gxf3, but then comes 15...Bg5!=/+ intending to implement the same motif as before.

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Re: Ivanchuk-Topalov
Reply #18 - 05/27/07 at 22:42:21
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lnn2 wrote on 03/18/07 at 15:06:17:
11... Nfd7 12. Qd3 b5 13. Qb3 bxa4 line is hilarious, already scored some points for me on internet blitz Smiley

What happens after 14 Qb7, does White lose?
  
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Re: Ivanchuk-Topalov
Reply #17 - 05/27/07 at 19:53:08
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JudgeDeath wrote on 03/18/07 at 18:07:51:
14...Rxf3 15.gxf3 Bg5 16.Qb3 Qb6 was played in Offenborn-Schuster corr 2000, which was eventually drawn in 37, but I think White stands better here.


After 16.Qb3 in the above line 16...axb3 looks quite strong to me.

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Re: Ivanchuk-Topalov
Reply #16 - 05/03/07 at 12:05:03
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lnn2 wrote on 03/18/07 at 15:06:17:
11... Nfd7 12. Qd3 b5 13. Qb3 bxa4 line is hilarious, already scored some points for me on internet blitz Smiley



But what do you play against 13. Nc3? After 13... Nf6 White can try to exploit your weaknesses on the queenside with 14. a4!

I still don't see how to get an equal game..
  
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Re: Ivanchuk-Topalov
Reply #15 - 03/18/07 at 18:07:51
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14...Rxf3 15.gxf3 Bg5 16.Qb3 Qb6 was played in Offenborn-Schuster corr 2000, which was eventually drawn in 37, but I think White stands better here.
  
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