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Question: As 1.d4 player I ask you. What opening do you fear most ?

Queens gambit declined

2 (4.0%)

Queens gambit accepted

2 (4.0%)

Slav

7 (14.0%)

Semi-Slav

3 (6.0%)

Grunfeld

8 (16.0%)

Modern Benoni

6 (12.0%)

Kings Indian

6 (12.0%)

Benkö

7 (14.0%)

Dutch

1 (2.0%)

Nimzo

8 (16.0%)

Total votes: 50

« Last Modified by: kalle99 on: 03/08/07 at 17:18:11 »

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sssthepro Senior Member Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 439 Joined: 12/16/06	Re: As 1.d4 player I ask you. What opening d Reply #11 - 03/25/07 at 11:54:28	Post Tools	Print Post
	I dont know what the definition of fear here is. I fear the Modern Benoni because of the crazy and hard to understand positions. I fear slav because of its drawing tendency.


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ErictheRed God Member Offline USCF National Master Posts: 2534 Location: USA Joined: 10/02/05	Re: As 1.d4 player I ask you. What opening do yo Reply #10 - 03/10/07 at 19:46:55	Post Tools	Print Post
	Well, after 1...d6 us Saemisch players can happily play 2.e4 Nf6 3.f3!?. In practice, this has always lead to a Saemisch KID for me, but Black does have options, for instance 3...d5!?. It's interesting chess, anyway. For me, the Benko is a tough opening to play against. It's just difficult in practice; I can usually get to a position where I should have a theoretical edge, but Black always seems to have play, even if he is down a pawn. Other than that, the Semi-Slav is the toughest opening for me to get an edge against it seems, even if I score fairly well in practice against it (I seem to understand the positions pretty well). That's largely because I get into the Semi-Slav via the move order 1.d4 d5 2.c4 c6 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.e3 e6 5.Nf3. The main-line Slav used to give me terrible headaches, so I switched to the 3.Nc3 anti-Slav lines...there's no silver bullet in chess, it seems.


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Markovich God Member Offline Posts: 6099 Location: Columbus, Ohio Joined: 09/17/04	Re: As 1.d4 player I ask you. What opening d Reply #9 - 03/09/07 at 13:36:17	Post Tools	Print Post
	Alias wrote on 03/08/07 at 20:56:17: Markovich: You're right. My example was a bit off. Your comments were more to the point. But I think you're right that 1...d6 is an annoying move to have to meet. As whith 1...e6, the question comes up, how much of a "concession" would 2. e4 be?

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Alias God Member Offline Posts: 1512 Location: East of the river Svartån Joined: 11/19/04	Re: As 1.d4 player I ask you. What opening do yo Reply #8 - 03/08/07 at 20:56:17	Post Tools	Print Post
	Markovich: You're right. My example was a bit off. Your comments were more to the point.

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Markovich God Member Offline Posts: 6099 Location: Columbus, Ohio Joined: 09/17/04	Re: As 1.d4 player I ask you. What opening d Reply #7 - 03/08/07 at 20:00:47	Post Tools	Print Post
	Alias wrote on 03/08/07 at 14:50:33: How about 1.d4 d6 2.c4 e5? Didn't Yrjölä and Tella say that white had better chances for advantade using 2.Nf3, 2.g3 or 2.e4? I don't know if these moves could be called compromises. 2.Nf3 and 2.g3 might not give the right KID variation you like and 2.e4 turns the game into an 1.e4 opening instead. I wasn't really talking about this line, of course. I mean, you would scarcely play 1. d4 e5 2. c4, either. But as a matter of fact, my preference is to allow the line you propose and then play 3. Nc3. Black's game is no cakewalk. Otherwise Black could avoid great chunks of KID theory. Probably switching to a Pirc is a reasonable idea too. Defending the Pirc whenever you're Black is hardly a privilege, methinks.

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kalle99 Full Member Offline They say I have Aspbergers syndrome. Posts: 144 Location: Stockholm Joined: 11/05/05	Re: As 1.d4 player I ask you. What opening do yo Reply #6 - 03/08/07 at 17:12:11	Post Tools	Print Post
	OK Now I have modified the poll for the last time hopefully

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Alias God Member Offline Posts: 1512 Location: East of the river Svartån Joined: 11/19/04	Re: As 1.d4 player I ask you. What opening do yo Reply #5 - 03/08/07 at 14:50:33	Post Tools	Print Post
	How about 1.d4 d6 2.c4 e5? Didn't Yrjölä and Tella say that white had better chances for advantade using 2.Nf3, 2.g3 or 2.e4? I don't know if these moves could be called compromises. 2.Nf3 and 2.g3 might not give the right KID variation you like and 2.e4 turns the game into an 1.e4 opening instead.

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Markovich God Member Offline Posts: 6099 Location: Columbus, Ohio Joined: 09/17/04	Re: As 1.d4 player I ask you. What opening d Reply #4 - 03/08/07 at 13:36:33	Post Tools	Print Post
	In general White's chances are quite good after 1. d4, 2. c4 and he has made no compromises, so what's to be afraid of? The Slav Defense proper is the most troublesome obstacle to the full point, but it's certainly not something to fear. For me, fear comes in when I arrive at a position that I don't understand very well. I would be afraid to play, for example, some of White's better-regarded lines against the KID, since I must admit that I often find the resulting positions difficult to understand.

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thibdb13 God Member Offline Tal was the best Posts: 974 Location: Mechelen Joined: 01/25/07 Gender:	Re: As 1.d4 player I ask you. What opening do yo Reply #3 - 03/08/07 at 11:35:26	Post Tools	Print Post
	I would put both dutch variations together and do the same with the slav and the semi-slav. The places coming free could be occupied by the Benkö gambit and the Queen's Indian / Bogolyubov. Either I cannot vote because I am hesitating between the Grünfeld and the Benkö gambit.

	Yusupov once said that “The problem with the Dutch Defence is that later in many positions the best move would be ...f5-f7” but he is surely wrong.
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kalle99 Full Member Offline They say I have Aspbergers syndrome. Posts: 144 Location: Stockholm Joined: 11/05/05	Re: As 1.d4 player I ask you. What opening do yo Reply #2 - 03/08/07 at 10:22:02	Post Tools	Print Post
	Yes I know...You think about the classical variation of the dutch. The problem is that I can only have 10 options in the poll. I think the Leningrad and the stonewall is much more played than the classical. The question is weather I could remove QGA and replace it with the classical dutch...but that would feel strange also. If chesspublishing could let me have more options the problem would be solved in this poll. But perhaps the classical is more feared than the other dutch. That answer will not come from this poll. Of course you could change the poll and only have 'The dutch'.

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nyoke God Member Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 593 Location: BELGIUM Joined: 12/31/06 Gender:	Re: As 1.d4 player I ask you. What opening do yo Reply #1 - 03/08/07 at 09:00:05	Post Tools	Print Post
	Still no complaint about one line of the Dutch missing ?


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kalle99 Full Member Offline They say I have Aspbergers syndrome. Posts: 144 Location: Stockholm Joined: 11/05/05	As 1.d4 player I ask you. What opening do yo 03/07/07 at 13:18:48	Post Tools	Print Post
	As 1.d4 player I ask you. What opening do you fear most ? Or if I put it this way : Which one of these openings would you prefer NOT to meet.
	« Last Edit: 03/07/07 at 14:52:36 by kalle99 »
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