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Re: Taylor's so-called Kafkaesque Experience
Reply #18 - 03/14/07 at 21:01:56
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Willempie wrote on 03/14/07 at 19:26:41:
You overlook the main thing. The boy (or his father) didnt complain about cheating, but about the behaviour of Taylor and his wife. Personally I wouldnt like the idea of having an IM watch my game and talk with my opponent either.



But we only have the word of the boy and his parents for that.   Hough never states in his response that they did not accuse the Taylors of cheating. 

Edit: Though maybe I am reading it to closely.  I would have preferred it if Hough clearly stated that the kid and his parents did not accuse the Taylors of cheating.
  

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Re: Taylor's so-called Kafkaesque Experience
Reply #17 - 03/14/07 at 21:01:04
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All in all I found the arbiter's verdict very reasonable. And yes, I would not like it either playing IM Cox' (just a random example  Wink ) wife and having him around my table every two moves and seeing him chatting to her in between.
Maybe Hough could have behaved somewhat more diplomatic. But no way I see any ground to publish such a long, whining article like Taylor's. As it has been refused two times, I am not the only one.
  

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Re: Taylor's so-called Kafkaesque Experience
Reply #16 - 03/14/07 at 19:49:42
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What's 'Kafkaesque' about it?? It seems reasonably clear what the Taylors were accused of - while Josef K. wasn't that lucky...  Roll Eyes
  
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Re: Taylor's so-called Kafkaesque Experience
Reply #15 - 03/14/07 at 19:26:41
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IMJohnCox wrote on 03/14/07 at 17:56:35:
To be honest I’d be pretty hacked off if I was Taylor, although I like to think I’d have avoided the temptation to spew forth such an embarrassing stream of drivel on the subject in public.

At the risk of upsetting Markovich again, folk in the US get way, way too burned about the possibility of people cheating. It all stems from the way they regard playing in chess events as like going to a poker game. Apart from anything else Taylor’s right – look at the game; the woman’s playing like an idiot.

And the son, or more likely a parent, sounds like an ever bigger tit. I mean, honestly, how likely is that a newly-wed couple are setting out to cheat in order to score 2.5/4 instead of 2/4 in some poxy weekender? And, quite frankly, what would it matter anyway?

One of those situations where I find I don’t have enough lack of sympathy to go round.

You overlook the main thing. The boy (or his father) didnt complain about cheating, but about the behaviour of Taylor and his wife. Personally I wouldnt like the idea of having an IM watch my game and talk with my opponent either.

Incidentally the arbiter mentions a previous tournament in which that very accusation was made. So at the very least he is acting like a complete idiot.
  

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Reply #14 - 03/14/07 at 18:33:22
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IMJohnCox wrote on 03/14/07 at 17:56:35:
Apart from anything else Taylor’s right – look at the game; the woman’s playing like an idiot.

Well, if Kramnik can overlook mate in 3 while running Fritz...  Grin
  

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Reply #13 - 03/14/07 at 18:28:43
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I enjoyed your post, John.  But I think the tournament was a little more then a "poxy weekender."  Grin

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Re: Taylor's so-called Kafkaesque Experience
Reply #12 - 03/14/07 at 17:56:35
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To be honest I’d be pretty hacked off if I was Taylor, although I like to think I’d have avoided the temptation to spew forth such an embarrassing stream of drivel on the subject in public.

At the risk of upsetting Markovich again, folk in the US get way, way too burned about the possibility of people cheating. It all stems from the way they regard playing in chess events as like going to a poker game. Apart from anything else Taylor’s right – look at the game; the woman’s playing like an idiot.

And the son, or more likely a parent, sounds like an ever bigger tit. I mean, honestly, how likely is that a newly-wed couple are setting out to cheat in order to score 2.5/4 instead of 2/4 in some poxy weekender? And, quite frankly, what would it matter anyway?

One of those situations where I find I don’t have enough lack of sympathy to go round.
  
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Re: Taylor's so-called Kafkaesque Experience
Reply #11 - 03/14/07 at 17:30:14
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He also complained about this in Letters to the Editor in this month's chess life.


Edit: If there was a cheating accusation, then I am certain it was lodged by Naroditzky's father. Alan seems like a nice kid. He isn't nearly as good as his younger brother, but still quite good in his own merit. The only issue is their somewhat, for lack of a better word, intense father.
  
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Reply #10 - 03/14/07 at 17:10:54
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That article is an exercise in self-abasement.

We get a potted history of his romantic life, repeated references to his parlous financial state, and a vicious kicking of a fourteen year old kid who seems to be technically in the right (or at least have a legitimate right to complain...)...pure class.

The author's main thesis, that playing in chess tournaments isn't always a pleasure because of some of the $%£$ *&^%$s that play in them, seems to be borne out by the article, but not in the way the author intended.
  

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Reply #9 - 03/14/07 at 16:44:38
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Though on rereading it...maybe not.   

I'll guess that Taylor's financial situation was a major reason for the writing of this article.
  

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Re: Taylor's so-called Kafkaesque Experience
Reply #8 - 03/14/07 at 16:27:42
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Willempie wrote on 03/14/07 at 16:11:48:
Prince-Nez wrote on 03/14/07 at 15:44:38:
I must add though that the overwrought pomposity of the kid's response was a tad too much.  I wonder which of his parents wrote it for him.

When someone accuses you personally in an article which is well-read, without even bothering to ask you about your version of events I would be rather less polite than this letter.

Maybe someone should inform Mr Taylor that Copernicus already proved that the earth didnt revolve around him but rather the sun.


I agree the boy or his parents had the right to respond angrily and include a few barbs at Taylor; I just thought they overdid it.   Besides, how do we know that the boy and his parents have truth on their side? 
  

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Re: Taylor's so-called Kafkaesque Experience
Reply #7 - 03/14/07 at 16:11:48
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Prince-Nez wrote on 03/14/07 at 15:44:38:
I must add though that the overwrought pomposity of the kid's response was a tad too much.  I wonder which of his parents wrote it for him.

When someone accuses you personally in an article which is well-read, without even bothering to ask you about your version of events I would be rather less polite than this letter.

Maybe someone should inform Mr Taylor that Copernicus already proved that the earth didnt revolve around him but rather the sun.
  

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Re: Taylor's so-called Kafkaesque Experience
Reply #6 - 03/14/07 at 15:44:38
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Thank you for the link, Ostap.   

I think Taylor should have taken a few deep breaths and had a good talk with Hough again before writing this article. 

I think Taylor and Hough just have different perceptions or memories of what happened.   

I must add though that the overwrought pomposity of the kid's response was a tad too much.  I wonder which of his parents wrote it for him.
  

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Re: Taylor's so-called Kafkaesque Experience
Reply #5 - 03/14/07 at 15:42:14
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Hello again, 

I only played in Chicago and Columbus opens, so what Scholar says looks more reliable...

Bye John S
  
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Re: Taylor's so-called Kafkaesque Experience
Reply #4 - 03/14/07 at 15:40:30
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Hello,

When I was in US, admittedly a few years ago, in typical Open tournaments everyone played the same high entry fee, compared to typical European Tournaments, but the prize money was higher. The rating restricted Tournaments had the same entry fee, and prizes. Think appearance money only happens for closed GM events in the US, and these are very rare.

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