Forsale analysed/quote:

"In the main line that Chris Ward gives in his book, you can find : 
1.e4 c5 
2.Nf3 d6 
3.d4 cxd4 
4.Nxd4 Nf6 
5.Nc3 g6 
6.Be3 Bg7 
7.f3 Nc6 
8.Qd2 00 
9.Bc4 Bd7 
10.000 Qa5 
11.Bb3 Rfc8 
12.Kb1 Ne5 
13.h4 Nc4 
14.Bxc4 Rxc4 
15.Nb3 Qc7 
and now 
as an alternative to the main 16.Bd4 on which Chris found some really great moves, there is 16.g4!? with a very sensible position for black 
In WWTD2, CW just gives 16...Rc8 17.h5? Bxg4! with a winning attack 
But if i'm right, white has a simple, almost winning plan : 
16...Rc8 17.e5! (used by Karjakin already, and on my database there is 81% of win for white !) 
 
Here 17...Ne8 18.Nd5 Qd8 19.exd6 leads to nightmare : 
a) 19...Nxd6 20.c3 +/- 
b) 19...Rxc2 don't change anything because of 20.dxe7! (stronger than 20.Nxe7+ as played in some games) 20...Rxd2 21.Rxd2 Bf5+ 22.gxf5 Qd6 23.Bf4 +/- "

But what about after 23.Bf4 Be5 24. Bg5
This looks more small plus to me, then +/-.
Some more input please.
Thanks
Blitzbeest

Hi - sorry I didn't respond sooner, I've been on holiday.

The line I favour as White against the ...Qa5 stuff is the same line that Dji just quoted. After this then the analysis in WWTD2 of 17...Re8 isn't too hopeful for Black - I think that both 18. hg6 and 18. Qg5 pretty much bust it - so the line I always get is 17...Bf5 18. ef5 Rab8. After 19. hg6 fg6 20. Qe3! is pretty convincing, as the ending after 20...Qe5 is pretty awful. I think that 20. Qe3 is good after 19...Qb4 as well - White shouldn't make the mistake of exposing the Black king with gf7+ too early on, as the pawn is often useful on g6. One example of this is against the 19...Qb6 line that TopNotch suggests - as far as I can tell, 20. Na4 Qb5 21. g7! just kills it.

I've heard that other systems are meant to be simpler ways of showing an edge, and this does require White to walk quite a fine line at times, but if White plays carefully Black's in a lot of trouble. In particular, if Black leaves the g6-pawn on the board, then the main threats should revolve around ideas of g7, as this also avoids any ...Qxc3+ tricks (I've learnt this the hard way by losing a game to take me out of contention at a tournament once, it wasn't a lot of fun!) as well as giving more concrete mating threats.

Hope this helps.

Adam

Well I knew that was the setup but any chance someone could give a continuation or two? I see 13...Nc4 and b5 are the main moves but just looking with the computer I'm not sure why either of them are in serious trouble.

If you're around, can you please post that line Adam? I'm actually looking to Take up this apparently near dead system for club use so I'd appreciate a look at the sternest test.

madhacker wrote on 04/18/07 at 23:02:03:




But there is a post in this forum by TopNotch apparently giving new life in the variation. 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 g6 6.Be3 Bg7 7.f3 Nc6 8.Qd2 00 9.Bc4 Bd7 10.000 Qa5 11.Bb3 Rfc8 12.h4 Ne5 13.g4 b5 14.h5 Nc4 15.Bc4 bc 16.Bh6 Bh8 17.Nf5 Bf5 18.ef Rab8 19.hg 

and now 19...Qb6, for example: 20.Qe2 Qb2+ 21.Kd2 Qc3!! 22.Kc3 Ne4#



To avoid the Timoshenko-Mutschnik line, how about the following: 

1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 g6 6.Be3 Bg7 7.f3 Nc6 8.Qd2 00 9.Bc4 Bd7
10.000 Qa5 11.Bb3 Rfc8 12.Kb1 Ne5 13.h4

and now 13...Rc4 has been suggested but 13...Rc5 has done well in the games I found (1-3-4). J.Peters-T.Taylor, 1/2-1/2, for example. The only black loss I found went 14.h5 Nh5 15.Nf5 gf, but 15...Bf5 may improve.

Treager 2604 -  Buraschi 2569  W-ch3/4    7.2001 
    13.h4 b5 14.Ncb5 Qd2 15.Bd2 Rab8 16.Nc3 Nc4 17.Bg5 Kf8 18.g4 a5 19.h5 Nb6 20.hg6 hg6 21.a3 a4 22.Ba2 Nc4 23.Bc4 Rc4 24.Nde2 Ng4 25.fg4 Rc3 26.Nc3 Bc3 27.Bc1 Bg4 28.Rd3 Bg7 29.b4 ab3 30.Rb3 Ra8 31.rb4 Bd7 32. Bb2 f6 33.Kc1 Kf7 34.Kd2 Bc6 35.Rc4 1/2-1/2

madhacker wrote on 04/18/07 at 23:02:03:



Yes I think in the Qa5 variation g4,h4 without Kb1 is far more dangerous !!