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Viking God Member Offline Posts: 673 Location: Norway Joined: 10/12/04 Gender:	Re: Bird vs. Nimzowitsch Reply #20 - 07/07/09 at 09:53:06	Post Tools	Print Post
	Dont think the e-book is finished yet; http://www.videochess.net/ Seams like the whole site has not been updated for a while...


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Sylvester Senior Member Offline Chess is the ultimate game! Posts: 314 Location: Canada Joined: 07/03/08 Gender:	Re: Bird vs. Nimzowitsch Reply #19 - 07/06/09 at 22:07:46	Post Tools	Print Post
	As well he should! Pats on the back do not pay the bills! If you respect chess players and their work put your money where your mouth is, I say. Show me where to get the e-book.


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belaji Full Member Offline Tactics: Targets and Patterns! Posts: 146 Location: Boulder Joined: 02/08/03 Gender:	Re: Bird vs. Nimzowitsch Reply #18 - 06/18/07 at 16:14:33	Post Tools	Print Post
	Danielsen is going to charge for his e-book, so just drink the lager yourself.


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Bibs God Member Offline Posts: 2346 Joined: 10/24/06	Re: Bird vs. Nimzowitsch Reply #17 - 06/17/07 at 14:05:04	Post Tools	Print Post
	Should be interesting to see what Danielsen produces. Magnanimous of the fellow - all the free internet stuff. Buy that nice man a lager! Several grades better than plenty of stuff produced by people who actually want payment for their wares (Schiller, then Lane/Martin etc). Do strongly suggest you blog your stuff TJ. Easy to use both vox and blogger. Easier for you to move stuff over and update. Trust me - hadnt used either then found myself having to teach an internet course! If I can do it, sure anyone can. regards, Bibs


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TalJechin God Member Offline There is no secret ingredient. Posts: 2892 Location: Malmö Joined: 08/12/04 Gender:	Re: Bird vs. Nimzowitsch Reply #16 - 06/10/07 at 20:43:49	Post Tools	Print Post
	Bibs wrote on 06/10/07 at 05:12:07: Agree Mestel variation appears exceedingly random. Generally punt KGambit myself instead of from (a la TalJechin's book. Oh TalJechin - some interesting material on the website but colours and design do you no favours - perhaps you could consider a blog instead? E.g. vox, blogger. More professional design may help you shift more units, which you desrve after your efforts) but, of interest. What particular aspect of the variation? Have the Taylor book, so references to that ok. Perhaps you can get the ball rolling... Well, most of my site hasn't been updated for years - actually most of the KG-stuff is still there for those who haven't seen it and might want to... Anyway, I saw on Danielsen's site that he's currently working on an e-book about the PolarBear System, hopefully it will contain a repertoire against black's other tries too and not just the reversed dutch.


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Bibs God Member Offline Posts: 2346 Joined: 10/24/06	Re: Bird vs. Nimzowitsch Reply #15 - 06/10/07 at 05:12:07	Post Tools	Print Post
	Agree Mestel variation appears exceedingly random. Generally punt KGambit myself instead of from (a la TalJechin's book. Oh TalJechin - some interesting material on the website but colours and design do you no favours - perhaps you could consider a blog instead? E.g. vox, blogger. More professional design may help you shift more units, which you desrve after your efforts) but, of interest. What particular aspect of the variation? Have the Taylor book, so references to that ok. Perhaps you can get the ball rolling...


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le_gars YaBB Newbies Offline 1.f4 1-0 Posts: 26 Joined: 02/08/06 Gender:	Re: Bird vs. Nimzowitsch Reply #14 - 06/04/07 at 20:26:41	Post Tools	Print Post
	your variation seems rather good for black indeed. Even if I think that there may be several ways of improving play for white and for black, Nxf7 may be an overoptimistic sacrifice I am going to add your variation in my site Quote: I'll play the From's anyday before the King's Gambit outside the Mestel Var (which is like rolling dice on both sides) Concerning the mestel variation, I have a few ideas that seems good for white, so just tell me if you want to discuss about it.

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Paul123 Full Member Offline I love ChessPublishing.com! Posts: 109 Location: USA Joined: 11/01/03	Re: Bird vs. Nimzowitsch Reply #13 - 06/04/07 at 14:13:47	Post Tools	Print Post
	le_gars wrote on 06/04/07 at 10:05:48: Paul123 wrote on 06/03/07 at 16:14:58: And ...1.f4 Nc6 2.Nf3 e5 3.fxe5 g5?! 4.d4!?....... I like this move it take away the attacking bishop that should be placed at d6 (the chief theme of the From) yet...... 4...g4 5.Ng5 Bh6!? 6.Ne4 Bxc1 7.Qxc1 Nxd4 seems preety unclear to me.... I have an analysis on 5...Bh6 on my website, and it seems that 6.Nxf7! Kxf7 7.e3 d5 (7...d6 8.Bc4+ d5 9.0-0+ Kg7 10.Be2 Qh4 11.c4 Nge7 12.Nc3 dxc4 13.Ne4 with a good game) 8.c4 Be6 9.cxd5 Bxd5 10.Nc3 Ke8 11.Qxg4 with a strong attack on the black king. Don't know if this sacrifice is correct or not - and i don't even remember if this idea comes from a book or myself - but i think it deserves a deeper investigation. Very Interesting 6. Nxf7 Yet.... 1.f4 Nc6 2.Nf3 e5 3.fxe5 g5 4.d4 g4 5.Ng5 Bh6 6.Nxf7 Kxf7 7.e3 d6 8.Bc4+ d5 9.0-0+ Kg7 10.Be2 Qh4 11.c4 Nge7 12.Nc3 dxc4 13.Ne4 13...Rd8!? attacking the pawn at e5, It Might (not sure....) be the snag in your idea.......14.Qe1? gets 14...Qxe1 15.Rxe1 Nb4! and... 14.g3 Qh5 15.Nf6 Qg6 16.Bxg4 Bxg4 17.Qxg4 Rf8 black is mobile and on the move (i.e maybe with the Initiative? I'm not sure)... Still very interesting!!! Again I agree with Black Widow Quote: I both play the Bird / From and the Kings Gambit, but I never transpose from the From to the King's Gambit. For one good reason, I believe that white has a clear path to advantage in most lines of the From. I also find the From much easier to play for white. I'll play the From's anyday before the King's Gambit outside the Mestel Var (which is like rolling dice on both sides) I believe the From's favors white..(as long a he/she keeps a cool head for the first 15 moves or so....)


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Black_Widow Full Member Offline I love ChessPublishing .com! Posts: 164 Location: Veenendaal Joined: 03/04/05 Gender:	Re: Bird vs. Nimzowitsch Reply #12 - 06/04/07 at 10:38:17	Post Tools	Print Post
	MNb wrote on 04/25/07 at 01:57:33: I am pretty sure, 1.f4 Nc6 2.Nc3 e5 3.e4 Bc5 4.fxe5 d6 is not the reason for Bird players to avoid the KG. I both play the Bird / From and the Kings Gambit, but I never transpose from the From to the King's Gambit. For one good reason, I believe that white has a clear path to advantage in most lines of the From. I also find the From much easier to play for white.


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le_gars YaBB Newbies Offline 1.f4 1-0 Posts: 26 Joined: 02/08/06 Gender:	Re: Bird vs. Nimzowitsch Reply #11 - 06/04/07 at 10:05:48	Post Tools	Print Post
	Paul123 wrote on 06/03/07 at 16:14:58: And ...1.f4 Nc6 2.Nf3 e5 3.fxe5 g5?! 4.d4!?....... I like this move it take away the attacking bishop that should be placed at d6 (the chief theme of the From) yet...... 4...g4 5.Ng5 Bh6!? 6.Ne4 Bxc1 7.Qxc1 Nxd4 seems preety unclear to me.... I have an analysis on 5...Bh6 on my website, and it seems that 6.Nxf7! Kxf7 7.e3 d5 (7...d6 8.Bc4+ d5 9.0-0+ Kg7 10.Be2 Qh4 11.c4 Nge7 12.Nc3 dxc4 13.Ne4 with a good game) 8.c4 Be6 9.cxd5 Bxd5 10.Nc3 Ke8 11.Qxg4 with a strong attack on the black king. Don't know if this sacrifice is correct or not - and i don't even remember if this idea comes from a book or myself - but i think it deserves a deeper investigation.

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Paul123 Full Member Offline I love ChessPublishing.com! Posts: 109 Location: USA Joined: 11/01/03	Re: Bird vs. Nimzowitsch Reply #10 - 06/03/07 at 16:14:58	Post Tools	Print Post
	Quote: Bird vs. Nimzowitsch 04/22/07 at 08:09:33 A question for Bird players as well as Nimzowitsch players. After 1.f4 Nc6 i want to know black's best practical chance to play for the win. I have an interesting system i'd like opinions on. If white plays the Bird move Nf3 black can play a nice variant of From's Gambit 2.Nf3 e5!? 3.fxe d6 4.Nc3 dxe Here the Nc6 appears to give black an improved version of From's declined because it supports the capture dxe. 2.Nf3 e5 3.fxe d6 4.exd Bxd6 Black has a nice choice of a plan involving a Bg4 pin followed by Nd4/e5 or the simple 0-0 followed by a push of the f pawn. Latley, I've been playing a lot of Bird's ... I would have to agree with "Black Widow" that both of these Var are not critical tests of the From. And ...1.f4 Nc6 2.Nf3 e5 3.fxe5 g5?! 4.d4!?....... I like this move it take away the attacking bishop that should be placed at d6 (the chief theme of the From) yet...... 4...g4 5.Ng5 Bh6!? 6.Ne4 Bxc1 7.Qxc1 Nxd4 seems preety unclear to me.... My personnal opinion is why avoid the From? looking at it from white's perspective...it's just as sound or unsound as the King's Gambit.


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le_gars YaBB Newbies Offline 1.f4 1-0 Posts: 26 Joined: 02/08/06 Gender:	Re: Bird vs. Nimzowitsch Reply #9 - 05/28/07 at 15:06:19	Post Tools	Print Post
	TopNotch wrote on 05/27/07 at 23:28:36: Also possible is 1.f4 Nc6 2.Nf3 e5 3.fxe5 g5!? which leads to interesting play. I would rather say 1.f4 Nc6 2.Nf3 e5 3.fxe5 g5?! IMO, as long as white doesn't go for the main line 4.d4 g4 5.Ng5 d5 6.exd6, which is certainly =+, he has several ways to play for a plus : 4.d4 g4 5.Ng5 d5 6.e4!? 4.d4 g4 5.Ng5 d6 6.e4!? (6.e6!?) 4.h3 (my favorite) 4...d6 and here 5.e4 and 5.d4 are at least += I think. That s why I'd also play 1.f4 Nc6 2.Nf3 e5 3.fxe5 d6

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TopNotch God Member Offline I only look 1 move ahead, but its always the best Posts: 2211 Joined: 01/04/03 Gender:	Re: Bird vs. Nimzowitsch Reply #8 - 05/27/07 at 23:28:36	Post Tools	Print Post
	Also possible is 1.f4 Nc6 2.Nf3 e5 3.fxe5 g5!? which leads to interesting play. Toppy

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HgMan God Member Offline Demand me nothing: What you know, you know Posts: 2330 Location: Up on Cripple Creek Joined: 11/09/04 Gender:	Re: Bird vs. Nimzowitsch Reply #7 - 05/24/07 at 20:25:59	Post Tools	Print Post
	Just to add another wrinkle, I used to play 1.f4 and aimed for a reversed I-Z. Against most Black responses, my second move was 2.e3, especially if Black's second move allowed for 2...Bg4. I never actually faced 1...Nc6, but I think I would likely have played 2.e3 all the same in order to avoid the From (not that I think White had a lot to worry about in the From--I just preferred the other lines...).

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MNb God Member Offline Rudolf Spielmann forever Posts: 10780 Location: Moengo Joined: 01/05/04 Gender:	Re: Bird vs. Nimzowitsch Reply #6 - 04/25/07 at 01:57:33	Post Tools	Print Post
	I am pretty sure, 1.f4 Nc6 2.Nc3 e5 3.e4 Bc5 4.fxe5 d6 is not the reason for Bird players to avoid the KG, as 5.Nf3 dxe5 6.Bb5 is quite playable. The reason will be the critical 3...exf4 of course. Learning more or less shaky stuff like the Pierce Gambit, Hamppe-Allgaier Gambit or Steinitz Gambit to meet a rare line like 1...Nc6 does not sound economical to me. At the other hand KG-eers probably will prefer 1.f4 Nc6 2.Nf3 e5 3.e4. Most of them do not consider 3...f5 an assault to their pet opening and the early ...Nc6 might be a light concession. And now we are back again at Fuster's initial post.

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