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Reply #18 - 05/14/07 at 21:57:27
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The online inventory for my favorite bookstore indicates that they have just put this book on the shelf.  I'm itching to pick it up -- but I'd like to give these newfangled CDs a try.  It will save me a lot of time downloading and manually inputting the model games into my database.  Does anyone know if Everyman intends to follow up its book releases with a CD release after a reasonable interval?  I'm hopeful that I won't have to wait a year for the CD version.

I've sent an e-mail to info@everyman but have not heard back from them.
  
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Re: Starting Out : Sicilian Sveshnikov
Reply #17 - 05/11/07 at 17:32:09
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I play the Svesh only from White side , so I feel a bit frustrated with it ( my style is rather wild )
Now , when one has to win imperatively , it's not so easy than with Najdorf 6 Bg5
Now , there are many offbeat lines , that are not all unsound
But it needs to study it more thoroughly , and to be somewhat more creative
Now , I hold good hope that White will find new critical lines
  
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Re: Starting Out : Sicilian Sveshnikov
Reply #16 - 05/11/07 at 14:40:14
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I always thought it was just a bad opening. Especially after reading some strategy guides I was of the opinion that it was just clamping down on d5, exchange the white bishop and win the endgame. Unfortunately for some reason my opponent usually disagreed and I landed into trouble.


@John Cox, The modify button is only available for a limited time. I think you can modify your post within one hour and not afterwards.
  

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Re: Starting Out : Sicilian Sveshnikov
Reply #15 - 05/11/07 at 14:09:28
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Pelletier has also called the Sveshnikov boring (or something similar).

The Sveshnikov has a rather narrow tree of variations. The pawn structure is similar in most lines. gxf6 is basically the only great modification. Most other openings/variations have a much wider selection of pawn structures (for both sides). When switching from the Sveshnikov, I was relieved not to have pawns on a6, b5, d6, e5 in every game. On the other hand, I think there are few other lines that offer black this great activity from the opening and black seems to be fine in every line.

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No problems modifying for me. Button in the top right corner.

One more remark. I don't think Nd5 before Bxf6 is that different to other lines. Contrary to the elite (0-0/Bg5) I prefered to play early Rb8 (0-0/Rb8) to stop the a4 plan. Worked fine in my games (at my levels). I had more difficulties with the exf5/c3 line. For me, that was the most challenging line, strategically.
  

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Re: Starting Out : Sicilian Sveshnikov
Reply #14 - 05/11/07 at 12:02:27
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What's happened to 'modify'?? Anyway, in my second post in this thread I of course meant 9 Bxf6, not 9 Bg5, just in case I fooled anyone.
  
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Re: Starting Out : Sicilian Sveshnikov
Reply #13 - 05/11/07 at 12:00:27
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Boring is a subjective term. Radjabov, Krasenkov and many others have been happy to play it all their lives.

What they mean is that it’s strategically limited (I think Short used this phrase also). In a sense this is true – virtually always White goes for the light squares and d5; Black goes for the black squares. But within that broad context there’s a pretty wide range of ideas.

White has a lot more sharp ideas in 9 Nd5 than in Adorjan’s day – see Korneev-Devereaux (and many other games in this line, eg Pitl-Dworakowska from Gausdal). Generally it’s true though that the wild material imbalances which were typical of the Svesh in the 70’s are no longer common – largely because they all turned out to be good for Black.

The Sveshnikov is an incredible phenomenon – no opening was so vilified for so long and is now so accepted at the top level. For that reason alone it’s got a lot to teach us.

e6/d6 more elegant? I suppose I would agree; more visual, certainly. The Svesh is about function rather than elegance, on the whole.

The Svesh is certainly dynamic in the sense that Black always needs to rely upon his activity. Sharp – well like all openings it has its sharp variations and its not-so-sharp ones. I would say it has a higher percentage of sharp ones than most, but perhaps not as high as the Dragon or Najdorf.
  
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Re: Starting Out : Sicilian Sveshnikov
Reply #12 - 05/11/07 at 08:02:15
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I think it's fair to say that the Svesh is a pretty interesting opening when white gives black the doubled pawns. However, if white goes for bxf6 bxf6 nd5 it's not overly exciting and from what I've seen Black has to be careful just not to get a bad ending. However, if he can get the two bishops going then he may be doing very well.
  
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Reply #11 - 05/11/07 at 01:27:34
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I just got this today.  I like it quite a bit, though I've just scratched the surface.

IM Cox what do you say to the following arguments:

Nigel Short said in a Chessbase.com article once that the Sveshnikov was boring.

Delchev/Semkov mention in their book that the Svesh is poor in strategic ideas, and boring to play over a long period of time.

Andras Adorjan says he became fed up after facing the 5th guy playing 9.Nd5, when all his romantic ideas went up in smoke...

Even Sammalvuo called the e6/d6 structure "more elegant" than the d6/e5 structure in his English Attack book. (I know its a little different here, but still...)

Am I reading into this too much, or do they have a point? I've always viewed the Svesh as sharp and dynamic...
  
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Re: Starting Out : Sicilian Sveshnikov
Reply #10 - 05/10/07 at 10:31:10
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I've been looking at this poll-thread:

http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1057274363

Do you think this is the actual state of popularity of those lines? I supposed to see more Sveshnikov games. Probably the Sveshnikov is not very usual n amateur chess. I think.

  

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Reply #9 - 05/10/07 at 08:59:25
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Yep, when you are new to an opening it is extremely helpful to know why the main line is the main line and not some other logical looking continuation.
  

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Re: Starting Out : Sicilian Sveshnikov
Reply #8 - 05/09/07 at 15:15:06
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IMJohnCox wrote on 05/08/07 at 14:02:40:
Absolutely. Rogozenko's book is outstanding in the matter of analysis. I found one definite analytical miss and about another two places where I felt it possible to disagree with him, which is an incredibly low amount in this silicon age. However, I feel, and more to the point Everyman feels, that there is scope for a more low-level guide, and of course theory moves on. I tried to cover the non-critical lines more than he does; at club level these are commoner than at Rogozenko's, to put it mildly.

As to the pages I am told Everyman reluctantly allowed it to pass after some caustic observations I may have allowed myself to make on the (extensive) pruning they had to do to the 1d4 book to reduce it from the lamentable sprawling state it was submitted in. To my surprise Svesh was 70,000 words and 1 d4 originally 80,000. I had thought the difference would be more.



In my experience these low-level guides can be quite interesting even if you read the high-level ones.  It's usful, for the likes of me, anyway, to hear what a titled player thinks about this, that and the other thing having to do with whatever system.
  

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Re: Starting Out : Sicilian Sveshnikov
Reply #7 - 05/09/07 at 09:35:24
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You'd have to ask Bill Gates. But I imagine 1 e4 is one word.
  
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Re: Starting Out : Sicilian Sveshnikov
Reply #6 - 05/08/07 at 21:33:39
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IMJohnCox wrote on 05/08/07 at 14:02:40:
To my surprise Svesh was 70,000 words and 1 d4 originally 80,000. I had thought the difference would be more.


I'm curious, how is a word count arrived at in a book like this?  Is it a character count divided by some arbitrary number?  Or does 1.e4 count as a word the same way antidisestablishmentarianism counts as a word?  Or some other method?
  
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Re: Starting Out : Sicilian Sveshnikov
Reply #5 - 05/08/07 at 14:02:40
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Absolutely. Rogozenko's book is outstanding in the matter of analysis. I found one definite analytical miss and about another two places where I felt it possible to disagree with him, which is an incredibly low amount in this silicon age. However, I feel, and more to the point Everyman feels, that there is scope for a more low-level guide, and of course theory moves on. I tried to cover the non-critical lines more than he does; at club level these are commoner than at Rogozenko's, to put it mildly.

As to the pages I am told Everyman reluctantly allowed it to pass after some caustic observations I may have allowed myself to make on the (extensive) pruning they had to do to the 1d4 book to reduce it from the lamentable sprawling state it was submitted in. To my surprise Svesh was 70,000 words and 1 d4 originally 80,000. I had thought the difference would be more.

  
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Re: Starting Out : Sicilian Sveshnikov
Reply #4 - 05/08/07 at 13:16:43
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IMJohnCox wrote on 05/08/07 at 12:38:45:
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That's longer than the d4 book and Yakovich's book! Good. I like that Everyman has started to allow authors to use more pages. In many older books it's easy to see drawbacks when the number of pages are limited.

I have a love-hate relation to this opening. I am very impressed by the Rogozenko book although I haven't read it from cover to cover. In every line I've checked Rogozenko outshines all other analysis on the opening I've seen. I suppose a book using a more gentle guidance for the reader still might have an audience.
  

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