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Re: Dutch defence 7...Nc6
Reply #7 - 07/05/07 at 15:20:44
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Yes most ...Nc6 players will play ...Nbd7-e5.
8.Nd4 Nc5 9.b4? e5! is good for Black. 9.0-0 is better. E.g.:

Matsuura,E (2460) - Pereira,S (2237) [A86]
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1.c4 f5 2.Nc3 Nf6 3.d4 g6 4.g3 Bg7 5.Bg2 d6 6.d5 Nbd7 7.Nf3 0-0 8.Nd4 Nc5 9.0-0 e5 10.dxe6 c6 11.Bf4 Ne8 12.Bxc6!? gutsy move 12...bxc6 13.Nxc6 Qb6 14.Nd5 Qxb2 15.Rb1 Qxa2 16.e7 Rf7 17.Bxd6 Qxc4 18.Rc1 Qe4 19.Bxc5 Bb7 20.Ba3 Rc8 21.f3 Qe6 22.Nd8 Qa6 23.Qb3 Rxc1 24.Bxc1 Bxd5 25.Qxd5 Qf6 26.Nxf7 Qxf7 27.Qxf7+ Kxf7 28.Ba3 Bd4+ 29.Kg2 Ke6 30.Rc1 Bb6 31.Rd1 Kf7 32.Rd8 g5 33.e4 fxe4 34.fxe4 Bc7 35.Kf3 h5 36.h3 Be5 37.Ra8 Bd4 38.g4 hxg4+ 39.Kxg4 Bf6 40.Rxa7 Ng7 41.Ra8 Ne8 42.Bb4 1-0

8.Be3 is a bit annoying too. The obvious idea being 8...Ng4 9.Bd4 and we know what kind of player White is. The other idea is 8...Ne5 9.Nxe5 dxe5 10.Qb3. The bishop can support c4-c5 or go e3-c5-a3.
  
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Re: Dutch defence 7...Nc6
Reply #6 - 07/05/07 at 02:12:28
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That will depend on deviations like 8.Qc2 and 8.Nd4.
  
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Re: Dutch defence 7...Nc6
Reply #5 - 07/04/07 at 07:29:45
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Against 7.d5 cant a Nc6 player try 7-,Nbd7 and "voulantarily" play Ne5 in the next move!?
  
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Re: Dutch defence 7...Nc6
Reply #4 - 07/02/07 at 13:59:41
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Markovich wrote on 07/02/07 at 13:10:53:
thibdb13 wrote on 06/27/07 at 07:24:17:
With black I rather play 7...Qe8 but as white I do not like playing against Nc6 and, therefore, I play 7.d5 when I know my opponent likes to play Nc6.
By the way, as white I allways had more problems after 8.d5-Na5 then after 8.d5-Ne5, but this is more a matter of taste. (in both cases, my percentage was very low!)


I wonder if Black has a way to take advantage of this move order.  E.g. 7...a5 or 7...Na6.

7...Na6 seems a good move to me. Black gets the opportunity of going to c5 and hurting white's development. But, as previously said, I play 7.d5 only when I know my opponent likes to play his knight to c6. It is more psychological than tactical. In fact, my reasonment is: if he wants to play his knight to c6, that means he does not like to play it to a6 and so he will not feel comfortable. 
I remember a game against a 2000+ (I'm about 1800), against whom I always lost before. I really had enough of 7.Nc3-Nc6 8.d5 and so tried to play d5. The quality of his play became instantly lower and I won in about 20 moves!!  Cheesy
  
Yusupov once said that “The problem with the Dutch Defence is that later in many positions the best move would be ...f5-f7” but he is surely wrong.
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Re: Dutch defence 7...Nc6
Reply #3 - 07/02/07 at 13:10:53
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thibdb13 wrote on 06/27/07 at 07:24:17:
With black I rather play 7...Qe8 but as white I do not like playing against Nc6 and, therefore, I play 7.d5 when I know my opponent likes to play Nc6.
By the way, as white I allways had more problems after 8.d5-Na5 then after 8.d5-Ne5, but this is more a matter of taste. (in both cases, my percentage was very low!)


I wonder if Black has a way to take advantage of this move order.  E.g. 7...a5 or 7...Na6.
  
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Re: Dutch defence 7...Nc6
Reply #2 - 07/02/07 at 13:04:42
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Hi All,

1.d4 f5 2.g3 Nf6 3.Bg2 g6 4.Nf3 Bg7 5.0-0 0-0 6.c4 d6 7.Nc3

I notice on a recent update on the main site that 7...Nc6 8.d5 Ne5 is suggested - I quite like this ...Nc6 seems to look natural and then d5 but then Ne5!? or Na5. I like the idea of Ne5 what do others think?

Best wishes,

Harvey


8...Ne5 commits Black to a banzai king attack, but if you like that sort of thing, you could probably win some games with it.  At any rate you'll definitely scare your opponents.  There was a two-part discussion of it in NIC Yearbook about a year ago, if I remember correctly.

8...Na5 is altogether different but I believe that it's also playable.  If I recall correctly, 4 years ago or so there was a long article about it in NIC Yearbook, by Marc Tseitlin.  It's not popular, so I doubt the theory has moved much since then.  Anyway with that article and a database, you should have enough info to be able to play it.

  
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Re: Dutch defence 7...Nc6
Reply #1 - 06/27/07 at 07:24:17
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With black I rather play 7...Qe8 but as white I do not like playing against Nc6 and, therefore, I play 7.d5 when I know my opponent likes to play Nc6.
By the way, as white I allways had more problems after 8.d5-Na5 then after 8.d5-Ne5, but this is more a matter of taste. (in both cases, my percentage was very low!)
  
Yusupov once said that “The problem with the Dutch Defence is that later in many positions the best move would be ...f5-f7” but he is surely wrong.
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Dutch defence 7...Nc6
06/26/07 at 14:24:58
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Hi All,

1.d4 f5 2.g3 Nf6 3.Bg2 g6 4.Nf3 Bg7 5.0-0 0-0 6.c4 d6 7.Nc3

I notice on a recent update on the main site that 7...Nc6 8.d5 Ne5 is suggested - I quite like this ...Nc6 seems to look natural and then d5 but then Ne5!? or Na5. I like the idea of Ne5 what do others think?

Best wishes,

Harvey
  
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