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Re: 1. f4-e5
Reply #14 - 08/17/07 at 15:12:20
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flaviddude wrote on 08/17/07 at 14:34:19:
Taylor is the first writer to adequately deal with the Neo-From. 

1. f4 e5 2. fx3 Nc6 This line is an absolute killer if white does not know what to do. I had a game published in Chessmail. I was a wee bit lucky in that my opponent missed a sensational win and subsequently blundered.

As I have been playing the kings Gambit for many years  I would transpose although in correpondence I would be tempted to play into From's Gambit.  

I find the idea of playing 3. Nc3 after 1.f4-e5 2.fe5-Nc6 very nice. Then it is black that should know very well what he is doing. It remembers the Lisitsyn gambit (1.Nf3-f5 2. e4-fe4 3. Ng5-Nc6) to me. I won only one game against a master (albeit in rapid) and it was with black and against this gambit. White went on with 4.Ne4 and I simply pushed d5 and e5 and, without much effort, I stood a lot better after 10 moves. My opponent sacrificed his queen for three light pieces to get some activity but it was not enough. My best day ever  Smiley
  

Yusupov once said that “The problem with the Dutch Defence is that later in many positions the best move would be ...f5-f7” but he is surely wrong.
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Re: 1. f4-e5
Reply #13 - 08/17/07 at 14:58:45
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If I was White and I had made the mistake of playing 1.f4, I'd love the opportunity to correct it by playing the King's Gambit! (1...e5 2.e4!)  Grin
  
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Re: 1. f4-e5
Reply #12 - 08/17/07 at 14:34:19
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Taylor is the first writer to adequately deal with the Neo-From. 

1. f4 e5 2. fx3 Nc6 This line is an absolute killer if white does not know what to do. I had a game published in Chessmail. I was a wee bit lucky in that my opponent missed a sensational win and subsequently blundered.

As I have been playing the kings Gambit for many years  I would transpose although in correpondence I would be tempted to play into From's Gambit.
  

I am hopelessly addicted to the King's Gambit
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Re: 1. f4-e5
Reply #11 - 07/19/07 at 10:43:37
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bohdan wrote on 07/19/07 at 07:49:35:
Good morning,

I came with the same question, what to play after 1.f4 e5. One of my favourite players, L.Day, said that Bird is a good opening if you know about KG, some other players also say that 2.e4 is a strongest move here.
My question is if you compare From and KG, would you comment on amount of theory the have, is From less to study than KG? I play KG, and if From require the same amount of theory, than I will stay with the first.

Thanks in advance

Bohdan


I play both the KG and From, and when I get the From, I already count the point (more then 80% of the cases, if they do not play the Mestel variation main line, where you have to fight for the point). The KG is a lot of work to learn and maintain. The From is just a little to learn, but you have to spent some time to analyze variations, which are not covered by the theory. Day is a stronger player then me, but I am pretty sure about what I know from the evaluation of the From. So in summary:
* KG leads to equal or unclear positions (as far as I know)
* From leads to better for white positions

Please note, that to play the From, you need to do your home analyses and practice the variations, just check the chessbase database results, and you know what I mean (which score better for black).  So the From has a good reputation for black, but it is unjustified, which is another argument to play the From for white.

Best sources for theory are the Taylor book, the Chessbase CD and there is an old chessbase theory artical.
  
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Re: 1. f4-e5
Reply #10 - 07/19/07 at 07:49:35
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Good morning,

I came with the same question, what to play after 1.f4 e5. One of my favourite players, L.Day, said that Bird is a good opening if you know about KG, some other players also say that 2.e4 is a strongest move here.
My question is if you compare From and KG, would you comment on amount of theory the have, is From less to study than KG? I play KG, and if From require the same amount of theory, than I will stay with the first.

Thanks in advance

Bohdan
  
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Re: 1. f4-e5
Reply #9 - 07/10/07 at 20:56:05
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There are not a lot of games or theory how to handle Nc6-Bg4 setups well. However the following game (though not perfect), gives the idea how to setup for white and how to escape the black pressure. When white gains control the e4 square before the e3 pawn, then the positional battle is won:

Spiller, Paul-Osawa, Tetsuya 1999
1. f4 e5 2. fxe5 d6 3. exd6 Bxd6 4. Nf3 Nc6 5. d4 Bg4 6. e3 Nf6 7. Bb5 O-O 8. Nc3 (8. Bxc6!?)  8... Qe7 9. O-O Nb4 10. a3 Nbd5 11. Nxd5 Nxd5 12. Re1 Nf6 13. Bd3 Rfe8 14. e4 Nd7 15. Bg5 Qf8 16. e5 Be7 17. Bxe7 Qxe7 18. h3 Bh5 19. c3 Rad8 20. Qc2 h6 21. g4 Bg6 22. Bxg6 fxg6 23. Qxg6 Nf8 24. Qe4 c6 25. Rf1 Rd7 26. Rf2 Red8 27. b4 a6 28. a4 Ne6 29. Raf1 a5 30. bxa5 c5 31. Kg2 cxd4 32. cxd4 Nxd4 33. Nxd4 Rxd4 34. Rf8+ Rxf8 35. Rxf8+ Qxf8 36. Qxd4 Qf7 37. Qd8+ Kh7 38. Qd3+ Kg8 39. Kg3 Qc7 40. Qd5+ Kh8 41. Kf3 Qc3+ 42. Ke4 Qc2+ 43. Kd4 Qb2+ 44. Kc5 Qa3+ 45. Kb6 Qb2+ 46. Kc7 Qc2+ 47. Kxb7 1-0

So in this case the black square bishop stays on c1. It only moves to g5 after an early Nf6. However I never analysed if then a e3-d4 setup is still sound.
  
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Re: 1. f4-e5
Reply #8 - 07/10/07 at 13:11:07
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Black_Widow wrote on 07/08/07 at 23:35:35:
@Thibdb:
I never had the "full" Mestel like Taylor described on the board. However often an early Nc6 or Bg4. Both variations are not well described in theory books. You can get an advantage, but you need to prepare well. A setup with pawns on e3-d4 often works well.

How does white uses his dark squares bishop in this setup? (e3-d4)
  

Yusupov once said that “The problem with the Dutch Defence is that later in many positions the best move would be ...f5-f7” but he is surely wrong.
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Re: 1. f4-e5
Reply #7 - 07/08/07 at 23:35:35
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@Thibdb:
I never had the "full" Mestel like Taylor described on the board. However often an early Nc6 or Bg4. Both variations are not well described in theory books. You can get an advantage, but you need to prepare well. A setup with pawns on e3-d4 often works well.

@Leeroth:
Yes, that's variation, which is a real point scorer for white.
  
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Re: 1. f4-e5
Reply #6 - 07/07/07 at 07:45:24
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Or, for the really cowardly player of White, you can play 2. fxe5 d6 3. Nf3 dxe5 4.Nc3 Nc6 5. e4, and get a very quiet version of the King's Gambit.  Practically no preparation required at all!  Of course, also practically no chance at an opening advantage, but for me personally, the reason I play the Bird is to reach an uncharted middle game as quickly as possible.  
  
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Re: 1. f4-e5
Reply #5 - 07/06/07 at 16:26:17
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Black_Widow wrote on 07/06/07 at 11:15:42:
Without doubt From, and with a good chance on an easy point. However you need to do some homework on beforehand, because some variations are very tricky, and consume a lot of time if you are not prepared. Taylor is a good source for the From Lasker variation. For the other variations, I am afraid you depend on home analysis.



Agree completely. Wink

I gave up the From because of the line 1. f4 e5 2. fxe5 d6 3. exd6 Bxd6 4. Nf3 g5 5. g3 g4 6. Nh4 Ne7 7. d4 Ng6 8.Nxg6 hxg6 9. Qd3 Nc6 10. c3 Bf5 11. e4 Qe7 12. Bg2 O-O-O 13. Be3 Bd7 14. Bf2!

  
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Re: 1. f4-e5
Reply #4 - 07/06/07 at 15:09:15
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Black_Widow wrote on 07/06/07 at 11:15:42:
Without doubt From, and with a good chance on an easy point. However you need to do some homework on beforehand, because some variations are very tricky, and consume a lot of time if you are not prepared. Taylor is a good source for the From Lasker variation. For the other variations, I am afraid you depend on home analysis.

So, you mean it is better to do his homework for in case your opponent play the Mestel variation than to follow Taylor's recommendations against this line.
  

Yusupov once said that “The problem with the Dutch Defence is that later in many positions the best move would be ...f5-f7” but he is surely wrong.
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Re: 1. f4-e5
Reply #3 - 07/06/07 at 14:23:03
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Theoretically I prefer to accept the From but over the board 
it depends on personal mood and time rate.
Especially in blitz it´s more easy to attack in an unclear 
King´s Gambit than to defend a sound extra pawn with
some only moves.

tracke  Smiley
  
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Re: 1. f4-e5
Reply #2 - 07/06/07 at 12:08:09
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It depends to some extent on what line you are considering to use in the King's Gambit Accepted (2. ...ef). 3. Ktf3, 3. Bc4 or something else ?
  
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Re: 1. f4-e5
Reply #1 - 07/06/07 at 11:15:42
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Without doubt From, and with a good chance on an easy point. However you need to do some homework on beforehand, because some variations are very tricky, and consume a lot of time if you are not prepared. Taylor is a good source for the From Lasker variation. For the other variations, I am afraid you depend on home analysis.
  
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1. f4-e5
07/06/07 at 07:49:57
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Just for my information: as a f4 player what would you play after 1.f4-e5:
- 2. e4 switching into the King's Gambit
- 2. fe5 going without fear for the From Gambit
  

Yusupov once said that “The problem with the Dutch Defence is that later in many positions the best move would be ...f5-f7” but he is surely wrong.
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