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Re: Another Bird question
Reply #23 - 08/24/07 at 23:41:38
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We've been down this road before...   Roll Eyes
  
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Re: Another Bird question
Reply #22 - 08/22/07 at 14:45:18
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Gambit wrote on 08/22/07 at 13:38:51:
I have played the Williams Gambit quite a few times on the Internet Chess Club.
The gambit is quite sound, despite appearances to the conrary, as some maintain. 

After 1 f4 d5 2 e4 de4 3 Nc3 there are a number of answers possible:

3...Nf6 4 Qe2 (this is the Williams Gambit)

3...Qd4  4 Qe2

3...Bf5  4 Qe2

3...f5?! 4 d3!

It should be noted that after 3...Nf6  4 Nge2 is possible. That is the Williams-Zilbermints Gambit, similar in some respects to 1 d4 e5 2 de5 Nc6 3 Nf3 Nge7,
the original Zilbermints Gambit in the Englund Gambit complex.

Did you try it in classical games?
  
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Re: Another Bird question
Reply #21 - 08/22/07 at 13:38:51
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I have played the Williams Gambit quite a few times on the Internet Chess Club.
The gambit is quite sound, despite appearances to the conrary, as some maintain. 

After 1 f4 d5 2 e4 de4 3 Nc3 there are a number of answers possible:

3...Nf6 4 Qe2 (this is the Williams Gambit)

3...Qd4  4 Qe2

3...Bf5  4 Qe2

3...f5?! 4 d3!

It should be noted that after 3...Nf6  4 Nge2 is possible. That is the Williams-Zilbermints Gambit, similar in some respects to 1 d4 e5 2 de5 Nc6 3 Nf3 Nge7,
the original Zilbermints Gambit in the Englund Gambit complex.
  
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Re: Another Bird question
Reply #20 - 08/22/07 at 11:11:23
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Black_Widow wrote on 08/21/07 at 19:33:19:
I hope not, because it would allways be nice, if someone wants to play it against me. Grin

Not a bad idea! Roll Eyes
  
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Re: Another Bird question
Reply #19 - 08/21/07 at 19:33:19
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I hope not, because it would allways be nice, if someone wants to play it against me. Grin
  
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Reply #18 - 08/21/07 at 17:18:42
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So, one more for the museum of chess curiousities  Cheesy
  
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Re: Another Bird question
Reply #17 - 08/21/07 at 16:49:17
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I am rather sceptical about that gambit. Why to voluntary weak the black fields, and create a blockage on f4 for the bishop on c1? It conflicts to me with common sense, just as 1 e4 e5 2 Nh3. Playable? Yes, often white can afford one weak move, but there is a limit ofcourse.
  
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Re: Another Bird question
Reply #16 - 08/18/07 at 09:19:21
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By the, looking at https://www.niggemann.com/startneu.htm for Bird books. I found one about the Williams gambit. This gambit is starting with 1. f4-d5 2.e4-de4 3. Nc3.
Any experiences with it?
  
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Re: Another Bird question
Reply #15 - 08/18/07 at 00:44:46
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Schwarz is a treasure of old theory. And because it is old, it does not mean it is useless.

Besides Schwarz, Ivanov has written two nice booklets about the Bird, and Soltis has written a couple of booklets as well, on Bird like openings, like the white Stonewall and the Niomzowitsch-Larsen opening.

Chessbase has made a CD about the Bird, and there is also an old theory artical from Chessbase about the From. 

And of good value are the Danielsen video's.
  
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Re: Another Bird question
Reply #14 - 08/17/07 at 22:09:26
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Rolf Schwarz was not a very strong player (14th in the Berlin championship of 1949). Around 1960 he started a project to cover the entire opening theory (12 volumes) in German. As far as I know he never finished the project. The book on the Bird is one of them. The publisher was Schach-Archiv Fr.L.Rattmann from Hamburg.
From 1976 he wrote 4 volumes on Gambit Openings: the Volga, the Göring, the Morra and the Wing Gambits. These were published by Schachverlag Rudi Schmaus, Heidelberg.
Of course his books are outdated now. Because of his habit to mention everything he could find, no matter how obscure, his books are a very good source if you want to know the state of theory of around 1960, 1965 (or 1975, 1980 concerning the gambit books). He was also one of the first writers trying to explain typical plans.
So it is useful to get that book on the Bird in addition to Taylor's, especially if it is not in his bibliography. In that case it is likely you will find a few forgotten lines and ideas worth a new investigation.
  
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Re: Another Bird question
Reply #13 - 08/17/07 at 15:18:35
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Could you give a little more information about this Rolf Schwarz? I couldn't find anything about him on chessgames.com.
I just found one book written by him at https://www.niggemann.com/startneu.htm: "Bird-Eröffnung 1. f2-f4" reedited in 1997 and problably written in 1960.
  
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Re: Another Bird question
Reply #12 - 08/17/07 at 14:25:53
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I like Taylor's book very much indeed. 

I have a couple of old books. 

1) Rolf Schwarz - Handbuch der Schach-Eroffnungen - Band 13 1.f2-f4

2) a book which I cannot find on my shelf giving all the games from a correpondence fixed openings book. It is mentioned by Bent Larsen in his book of games.

both are mainly of historical interest.

Schwarz wrote lots of opening books which in their day were very good value.
  
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Re: Another Bird question
Reply #11 - 08/15/07 at 18:33:17
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MNb wrote on 08/15/07 at 16:38:12:
And yes, your statement on Taimainov's book is so much better now.  Wink


Glad to make you happy  Smiley
  
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Re: Another Bird question
Reply #10 - 08/15/07 at 16:38:12
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Ask Smyslov_Fan, he is the guy to do it for you.
And yes, your statement on Taimainov's book is so much better now.  Wink
  
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Re: Another Bird question
Reply #9 - 08/15/07 at 06:17:52
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By the way, I put this thread in the wrong section (it should go to "Flank openings"). How can I manage to do that?
  
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