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Poll closed Question: Who will be the next world champion?
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Kramnik    
  21 (38.2%)
Anand    
  16 (29.1%)
Leko    
  0 (0.0%)
Aronian    
  9 (16.4%)
Morozevich    
  1 (1.8%)
Grischuk    
  0 (0.0%)
Svidler    
  1 (1.8%)
Gelfand    
  0 (0.0%)
Topalov should have been invited    
  7 (12.7%)




Total votes: 55
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Re: WCC Mexico City 2007
Reply #117 - 09/25/07 at 06:31:29
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OstapBender wrote on 09/25/07 at 03:27:24:
Gelfand is a point behind; Kramnik, Leko and Aronian a point and a half back.  So Anand's "magic number" is 3.5 to beat Gelfand, and 3.0 to beat the next three.  His next three games are vs. Morozevich, Svidler and Grischuk who are at the bottom of the table.  Although it's still a bit too soon for Anand to start celebrating, he's certainly in a nice position at the moment.

Nothing against Kramnik, but I can think of nobody more deserving than Anand to be the next World Champion.

Kramnik will have to play "à la Topalov" and win all his games. But, in such a case, I do not know wether he will enjoy the (forced) comparison with Topalov  Huh
  

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Re: WCC Mexico City 2007
Reply #116 - 09/25/07 at 03:27:24
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Gelfand is a point behind; Kramnik, Leko and Aronian a point and a half back.  So Anand's "magic number" is 3.5 to beat Gelfand, and 3.0 to beat the next three.  His next three games are vs. Morozevich, Svidler and Grischuk who are at the bottom of the table.  Although it's still a bit too soon for Anand to start celebrating, he's certainly in a nice position at the moment.

Nothing against Kramnik, but I can think of nobody more deserving than Anand to be the next World Champion.
  

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Re: WCC Mexico City 2007
Reply #115 - 09/25/07 at 02:57:36
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Just a reminder, there are still what, four rounds left?   

Yeah, it looks like victory lap time for Anand, but each player in the tournament is capable of beating the world champion.  Just ask Kramnik about Morozevich!

I'm glad that if Kramnik couldn't win, Anand will, but I'll hold off the congratulations until its a mathematical certainty.  I hope Anand stays focused for the last four games.
  
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Re: WCC Mexico City 2007
Reply #114 - 09/25/07 at 00:19:45
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In an Anand-Kramnik match, I seriously doubt we'll be seeing Anand abandon 1.e4.  And there is no doubt that Kramnik's Petroff will face a sterner test in such a match than in tournament play.

I think the putative superiority of 1.d4 vs. 1.e4 is probably being a bit overplayed here.  That 1.d4 seems to have gained some popularity over 1.e4 at the highest levels is more of a fashion trend than a reflection of intrinsic merits.

Would Anand find a way to demolish the Petroff should Kramnik decide to go this way?  During the course of a match, I think it's quite possible, even likely.  The damage will be temporary, of course, and we will not see the end of the Petroff in any permanent sense.  But the outcome of the match could well turn on such a temporary setback.

Should the match come to pass, I kind of hope Kramnik will go with the Petroff just to see what Anand has (or will have) up his sleeve (certainly not the 5.Nc3 line).  Kramnik deciding to defend against the Spanish with a Berlin (or even a Marshall) seems just a likely, though.
  

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Re: WCC Mexico City 2007
Reply #113 - 09/24/07 at 20:03:17
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TopNotch wrote on 09/24/07 at 17:29:19:

On the contrary, a match with Anand could see the end of the Petroff, that is if Kramnik actually risked it which I doubt


From your mouth to God's ear!  Grin

But could you expand a bit on this?  Why do you think Kramnik wouldn't risk it?   

Vishy didn't have much of an answer for it in Mexico City and Leko switched to 1.d4 in 2004.
  

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Re: WCC Mexico City 2007
Reply #112 - 09/24/07 at 17:29:19
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It would be interesting to see if Anand would stick to 1.e4 in a match against kramnik,
I don't think  he could do much against kramnik's petroff, 
maybe he should try to win in the moscow variation of the semislav with black Wink

So a match with Anand as a 1.e4 player will favour kramnik ...


On the contrary, a match with Anand could see the end of the Petroff, that is if Kramnik actually risked it which I doubt very much. He would probably resurrect the Berlin or some other equally dull opening.

I like Moro's solution to the Kramnik problem, that being to prise him away from his Petroff/Slav life preservers into uncharted shark infested waters.

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Re: WCC Mexico City 2007
Reply #111 - 09/24/07 at 17:25:03
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I can't remember the exact times when Kramnik was having medical issues, but was that one of them?
  
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Re: WCC Mexico City 2007
Reply #110 - 09/24/07 at 16:03:20
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It would be interesting to see if Anand would stick to 1.e4 in a match against kramnik,
I don't think  he could do much against kramnik's petroff, 
maybe he should try to win in the moscow variation of the semislav with black Wink

So a match with Anand as a 1.e4 player will favour kramnik ...

Hmmm. The latter is a quick win within 20 moves in a serious game Wink

[Event "Amber-blind 14th"]
[Site "Monte Carlo"]
[Date "2005.03.19"]
[Round "4"]
[White "Anand,Viswanathan"]
[Black "Kramnik,Vladimir"]
[Result "1-0"]
[Eco "C42"]
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.Nxe5 d6 4.Nf3 Nxe4 5.Nc3 Nxc3 6.dxc3 Be7 7.Be3 Nc6 8.Qd2 0-0 9.0-0-0 Ne5 10.Kb1 a6 11.Be2 Be6 12.Nd4 Nc4 13.Qd3 Nxe3 14.Nxe6 fxe6 15.Qxe3 e5 16.Bd3 c6 17.h4 Rf6 18.g3 d5 19.Qxe5 Rxf2 20.Rhf1 Rf6 21.Qh5 g6 22.Qe2 Qd6 23.h5 Raf8 24.hxg6 hxg6 25.Rh1 Kf7 26.c4 Ke8 27.cxd5 c5 28.g4 Kd8 29.g5 Rf4 30.Rh6 Bxg5 31.Rxg6 Bf6 32.Rh6 Qe5 33.c3 Qxe2 34.Bxe2 Rf2 35.Bg4 b5 36.d6 Rg8 37.Bh3 b4 38.Rh7 bxc3 39.bxc3 Rg3 40.Re1 Be5 41.Rd7+ Kc8 42.Rf7+ Rxh3 43.Rxf2 Bxd6 44.Kc2 Kd7 45.Ree2 Kc6 46.Rf6 Kc7 47.Ree6 Rh2+ 48.Kd3 Rh3+ 49.Kc4 Rh4+ 50.Kb3 c4+ 51.Ka4 Rh2 52.Rxd6  1-0

[Event "Sofia MTel Masters"]
[Site "Sofia"]
[Date "2005.05.12"]
[Round "7"]
[White "Anand,Viswanathan"]
[Black "Kramnik,Vladimir"]
[Result "1-0"]
[Eco "C42"]
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.Nxe5 d6 4.Nf3 Nxe4 5.d4 d5 6.Bd3 Nc6 7.0-0 Be7 8.c4 Nb4 9.Be2 0-0 10.Nc3 Bf5 11.a3 Nxc3 12.bxc3 Nc6 13.Re1 Re8 14.cxd5 Qxd5 15.Bf4 Rac8 16.Qc1 Na5 17.c4 Qe4 18.Bd1 Qd3 19.Re3 Qxc4 20.Re5  1-0
  

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Reply #109 - 09/24/07 at 15:59:19
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It would be interesting to see if Anand would stick to 1.e4 in a match against kramnik,
I don't think  he could do much against kramnik's petroff, 
maybe he should try to win in the moscow variation of the semislav with black Wink

So a match with Anand as a 1.e4 player will favour kramnik ...
  
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Re: WCC Mexico City 2007
Reply #108 - 09/24/07 at 15:16:34
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Antillian wrote on 09/24/07 at 15:09:20:

While I was supporting Kramnik, I will not be disappointed with an Anand victory. As a matter of fact I think the only persons who would be very disappointed with an Annad victory would be Topalov since we won't see a Kramnik Toplalov match next year.

Maybe the other 7 contestants will be disappointed as well? Wink

Seriously, I hope Anand will beat Kramnik (I dont think so though). Would make for a convincing win, though Gelfand may still recover...
  

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Re: WCC Mexico City 2007
Reply #107 - 09/24/07 at 15:09:20
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Well, I sure hope Anand will win today. Then we can really close the book
on the shamefull history of the world championship over the past decade.


I agree to a certain extent. I  suppose when you think about it during the world championship schism, Anand was the only Fide champion that was truly deserving. I think becuase of this, in many people's minds, the fact that Anand was a Fide World Champion did lend some credibility to the Fide events. If Anand is finally crowned as legitimate world champion, it will cause the Fide world championship events of the last decade to sink further into well deserved obscurity and oblivion.

While I was supporting Kramnik, I will not be disappointed with an Anand victory. As a matter of fact I think the only persons who would be very disappointed with an Annad victory would be Topalov since we won't see a Kramnik Toplalov match next year.
  

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Reply #106 - 09/24/07 at 14:27:20
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Well, I sure hope Anand will win today. Then we can really close the book
on the shamefull history of the world championship over the past decade.
  
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Re: WCC Mexico City 2007
Reply #105 - 09/24/07 at 06:47:44
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Winning "on command" is one of the most difficult things to do in all of chess.  Kasparov at his best could do it, so could Karpov, Fischer and Botvinnik.  

Kramnik did it in his matches with Leko and Topalov, so he deserves to be in the lofty company of those other great world champions.  The real question is can he do it this time?  This will be a real defining moment for both players.  Anand has Black, but draw odds in this game.  The pressure on both players is immense and will be a great treat for us.  In this sort of situation, Kramnik won't care if he loses.  The "honor" of second place will mean nothing to him and he will go all out for the win.

Regardless of the outcome, this should be one of the great moments in chess history that we can predict in advance will be great without knowing the result.  I've already said that I'm rooting for Kramnik.  But it would also be great to see Anand's star rise to new heights in the chess firmament.
  
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Re: WCC Mexico City 2007
Reply #104 - 09/24/07 at 06:30:50
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Wow, Kramnik and Gelfand lost! There goes solidity.. Now the pressure is on Kramnik to beat Anand today with the White pieces. I think nothing has changed re Kramnik's strategy, but psychologically this defeat affects him (but in a good or a bad way?). On the side Gelfand, Grischuk, Leko and maybe the rest of the field are all waiting for an Anand loss to start hoping again.

Even if Anand draws Kramnik today, everybody will try to beat Anand as this is their only chance to win the Championship. But, honestly, I cannot see even Kramnik beating a Anand, if the latter avoids unecessary risks.
  

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Re: WCC Mexico City 2007
Reply #103 - 09/23/07 at 18:32:48
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I think I would have to go with Christiansen as the best.  I think he gets to the hearts of the positions with the most authority.  And, not surprisingly, he seems the most tactically alert.   

Speelman is also a joy to listen to and Benjamin, at his best (which I don't think he has been for this event), is as good as anyone. 

Fed is...unique and good for several laughs a show.
  

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