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Kramnik    
  21 (38.2%)
Anand    
  16 (29.1%)
Leko    
  0 (0.0%)
Aronian    
  9 (16.4%)
Morozevich    
  1 (1.8%)
Grischuk    
  0 (0.0%)
Svidler    
  1 (1.8%)
Gelfand    
  0 (0.0%)
Topalov should have been invited    
  7 (12.7%)




Total votes: 55
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Re: WCC Mexico City 2007
Reply #132 - 09/26/07 at 02:18:35
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Willempie,

I don't normally bet unless I know the result.  I guess I only bet when I'm accepting charity.

But your wager sounds like fun!  You're on.

If both players break 50% or if neither does, then it's a wash, agreed?   




(For the non-fluent English speakers, a "wash" is a colloquial term for a draw in which everything, such as the bet, gets washed away.)
  
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Re: WCC Mexico City 2007
Reply #131 - 09/26/07 at 02:14:36
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I was amazed!

I was awed!

I was knocked off my feet in disbelief!

Anand created a fantastic win against Morozevich today to virtually secure first place.  I wasn't able to watch it live and see all the commentary, but I wonder how many people saw the combo that began on move 51 and ended with Anand having R+N+passed Pawn vs Q and Black resigning almost instantly.

It was a brilliant combination to end a very strong performance by Anand.  This should go down as one of the great games played.  (Of course, I'm sure I missed some blemishes that computers and analysis will shout to all of us, but WOW!)

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Re: WCC Mexico City 2007
Reply #130 - 09/26/07 at 00:56:12
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A 13 move draw by Kramnik! This is f*ing unbelievable!! If I were a sponsor I would never fund a chess tourney where someone is allowed to do that. It's horrible for the spectators and for chess. I think drawing games by agreement should be against the rules unless there is insufficient material. Yeah, that means sometimes playing an extra 50 moves, but it's far better than this. It's absolutely insane. What other sport allows this nonsense!
  
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Re: WCC Mexico City 2007
Reply #129 - 09/26/07 at 00:06:20
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chk wrote on 09/25/07 at 08:44:26:
Nice to see some variation in the openings used. I wish we could see some more sicilians!

Anand-Morozevich should please you then!  I wasn't able to follow the game (or even really look at it yet), but it looks like Anand is winning which would practically clinch the tournament for him.
  
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Re: WCC Mexico City 2007
Reply #128 - 09/26/07 at 00:01:03
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Anand is looking to win the tournament quickly...
  
If nothing else works, a total pig-headed unwillingness to look facts in the face will see us through.
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Re: WCC Mexico City 2007
Reply #127 - 09/25/07 at 22:07:43
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chk wrote on 09/25/07 at 08:44:26:

After yesterday's exciting game, I couldn't help but to think again that match play is the only proper way for deciding both the candidates and the WChampion (obviously no-one could tell from only 2 games who was the best between Anand or Kramnik).


Why? Draughts (the 100 square version) alternates: every four years a tournament and every four years a match. Since San Luis I am convinced that such a format would work in chess excellently.
  
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Re: WCC Mexico City 2007
Reply #126 - 09/25/07 at 20:04:48
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thibdb13 wrote on 09/25/07 at 19:55:05:
What is going wrong with Kramnik. He has just agreed with a draw against Grischuk after only 13 moves and having used just 12 minutes of his time. Is this a form a resignation? Undecided

In the meantime Gelfand stands rather well I think in a weird Grunfeld position...

What I think is "wrong" with Kramnik is that he lacks the power to push for a win at every cost. Usually he can offset this with Petrosian style positional mastery, but lately I think he suffers from "Kramnik-preparation" by his opponents.
  
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Re: WCC Mexico City 2007
Reply #125 - 09/25/07 at 19:55:05
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What is going wrong with Kramnik. He has just agreed with a draw against Grischuk after only 13 moves and having used just 12 minutes of his time. Is this a form a resignation? Undecided
  
Yusupov once said that “The problem with the Dutch Defence is that later in many positions the best move would be ...f5-f7” but he is surely wrong.
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Re: WCC Mexico City 2007
Reply #124 - 09/25/07 at 13:37:41
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Smyslov_Fan wrote on 09/25/07 at 12:34:37:

Kramnik has a really tough job ahead just to go above 50%, but I really think he'll do it.  Gelfand is an excellent player, but still not in the same league as Anand and Kramnik.  We may see Gelfand at or below 50% before his game with Kramnik.

Wanna make a bet?
I say Kramnik wont score over 50% and Gelfand will, you say the opposite.

The loser will have to play a game with the Dutch defense or BDG and publish it here
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Re: WCC Mexico City 2007
Reply #123 - 09/25/07 at 12:34:37
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I agree that Kramnik's loss to Morozevich was very poor. Kramnik was completely outplayed in the opening and never came close to recovering.  I am guessing that he took his eye off the ball and was already preparing mentally for his game against Anand.   

Kramnik has a really tough job ahead just to go above 50%, but I really think he'll do it.  Gelfand is an excellent player, but still not in the same league as Anand and Kramnik.  We may see Gelfand at or below 50% before his game with Kramnik.

Petr Leko has quietly been moving up the table.  There's no way he'll be able to catch Anand, but he has a realistic shot at taking second by himself.  He could have been a real force if he had been sharper at the start of the tournament.
  
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Re: WCC Mexico City 2007
Reply #122 - 09/25/07 at 11:50:54
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I do not know what was happening in his head against Morozevich but what really surprised me is that he went for a king's bishop fianchetto so early in the game. He is not used to play such positions. It is as when he plaid the Najdorf against Deep Fritz. Generally speaking, I am afraid Kramnik has a relatively (too?) narrow openings repertoire for his level and experimenting with new openings does not seem to be his best weapon at this level.
Now Gelfand is also playing the Catalan with white and with this opening it will be difficult to beat VK.
  
Yusupov once said that “The problem with the Dutch Defence is that later in many positions the best move would be ...f5-f7” but he is surely wrong.
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Re: WCC Mexico City 2007
Reply #121 - 09/25/07 at 09:17:27
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thibdb13 wrote on 09/25/07 at 08:45:45:

The problem is Gelfand will have to be in a very good day to be able to beat Kramnik.

We'll see. I dont think Kramnik has been that convincing either. 

Eg I dont know what he has been smoking against Moro, but I didnt understand much of his opening play. He went on some sort of agressive banter (c4, Rc5-a5, Nbd7-c5-b3) on the queenside only to exchange his best light piece for that lousy bishop. I guess he missed that Moro moved his e-pawn only one square Wink
  
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Re: WCC Mexico City 2007
Reply #120 - 09/25/07 at 08:45:45
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Willempie wrote on 09/25/07 at 07:58:19:
Weird thing is that he is the only one with no defeat and that only he and Gelfand are over 50%.
I for one am even unsure if Kramnik can come above the 50%. He still has to face Gelfand with black and if matters are similar to now, Gelfand may need a win to take his last chance at the title.

The problem is Gelfand will have to be in a very good day to be able to beat Kramnik.
  
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Re: WCC Mexico City 2007
Reply #119 - 09/25/07 at 08:44:26
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After yesterday's exciting game, I couldn't help but to think again that match play is the only proper way for deciding both the candidates and the WChampion (obviously no-one could tell from only 2 games who was the best between Anand or Kramnik).

I would like to see a Kramnik-Anand match, but I would also like to see Anand losing a game now so that the tournament finish becomes more exciting..

P.S.: Nice to see some variation in the openings used. I wish we could see some more sicilians!
  
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Re: WCC Mexico City 2007
Reply #118 - 09/25/07 at 07:58:19
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OstapBender wrote on 09/25/07 at 03:27:24:
Gelfand is a point behind; Kramnik, Leko and Aronian a point and a half back.  So Anand's "magic number" is 3.5 to beat Gelfand, and 3.0 to beat the next three.  His next three games are vs. Morozevich, Svidler and Grischuk who are at the bottom of the table.  Although it's still a bit too soon for Anand to start celebrating, he's certainly in a nice position at the moment.

Nothing against Kramnik, but I can think of nobody more deserving than Anand to be the next World Champion.

Weird thing is that he is the only one with no defeat and that only he and Gelfand are over 50%.
I for one am even unsure if Kramnik can come above the 50%. He still has to face Gelfand with black and if matters are similar to now, Gelfand may need a win to take his last chance at the title.
  
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