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Re: Anyone writing Play the Slav?
Reply #30 - 01/28/08 at 19:56:12
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I always played 3.Nc3 dxc4 back when I played the Slav, and generally liked the positions I got.  Also, Shipov (or Shipkov, can't remember) gave this move an exclam back in their book Winning with the Slav.  Can it really be so bad?

Also, cut James some slack; no matter what lines he chooses to cover in a repertoire book, someone will be unhappy...
  
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Re: Anyone writing Play the Slav?
Reply #29 - 01/28/08 at 17:51:57
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My current solution to the 3. Nc3 dilemma is 3 Nc3 Nf6 4. e3 a6. I think the Chebanenko is great for Black when White is already committed to e3.
I don't trust 3 Nc3 dc!? at all. I have been severely mangled in several ICC blitz games in this line and Graham Burgess more or less dismisses it  in `The Slav'. Maybe Vigus' book will make me change my opinion, we will see.

  
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Reply #28 - 01/28/08 at 10:01:24
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Genghisclown.
Think you'll be surprised. Plenty of fun to be had with Nc3 ...dc4.
Dont be too despondent about the black game.

Perhaps not as much 'what is wrong with ...Nf6' as 'why not play ...dc4?' A half-full glass. Very slav behaviour  to take the pawn if possible I reckon.

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You always appear to know your stuff. Any suggested last-minute sources in other lingos for James?
  
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Reply #27 - 01/27/08 at 22:35:53
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Looks like it's cxd4 before Qb3. 

It appears you're right about the rest, with GMs usually going for a semi-slav. The option of a6 also looks good (and the combination of both e6 with a6 that was written about by Gurevich in SOS volume 4).

I can see why Vigus wanted a pure Slav approach, but still, I wish there was another way to go...
  

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Reply #26 - 01/27/08 at 16:52:15
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The problem with 3.Nc3 Nf6, from the point of view of a 'pure' Slav repertoire, is 4.e3, when 4...Bf5 is generally thought to be unsatisfactory because of Qb3 (although I can never remember whether White is supposed to flick in cxd5 first  Undecided).  4...g6 is a line of the Schlechter also generally thought to be good for White, while 4...a6 and 4...e6 transpose to the Chebanenko and the Semi-Slav respectively.
  

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Reply #25 - 01/27/08 at 10:47:35
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A couple of other highlights of the repertoire - 3 Nc3 dxc4 (Tracke, I hope this is welcome?)


I have to say this sounds horrible.  I hope you go for 4.e4 e5 because the other variations after e4 don't look appealing to me at all. 

Exactly what is wrong with 3...Nf6 anyway?
  

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Re: Anyone writing Play the Slav?
Reply #24 - 01/25/08 at 19:36:33
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It all sounds very interesting; when is the book likely to be published, James? 
  
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Re: Anyone writing Play the Slav?
Reply #23 - 01/25/08 at 08:43:05
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Inn2, you're spot on about the philosophy of the book! And about the fact that I have aimed for effectiveness in practical play for non-professionals, and a repertoire that can hopefully remain intact for a long time, rather than trying to prove absolute theoretical equality.

I think 3 Nc3 dxc4 is in good shape, even if it doesn't appear in elite tournaments much: Felgaer and Peralta do formidably well with it at 'only' around 2600 level, for instance. Also (though this isn't why I chose it), I suspect it's unpleasant for many White players who arrive booked up for ...a6 and Semi-Slavs after 3...Nf6 4 e3...

In one case I have opted for trendiness: 3 Nf3 Nf6 4 e3 Bg4!
  
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Reply #22 - 01/25/08 at 08:24:13
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Interesting choices James.
Seems like the philosophy of this upcoming book is about maintaining a tense + solid game. 

White players probably wouldn't complain about facing these lines since few simplifications, but Black players can be content with solid-ish positions too. Suspect your lines approximate to "=" in practical chances for OTB games, even though they may well turn out to be "+=" if theoreticians like Khalifman have their way...

not so sure about 3. Nc3 dc4 though (but okay its consistent for a repertoire), and i suppose its going to be 3. Nf3 Nf6 4. e3 Bf5 ? or is it the new fangled 4... Bg4?

Anyway, good news to hear about Qb6 exchange lines. Finally someone treats them seriously!
  
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Re: Anyone writing Play the Slav?
Reply #21 - 01/25/08 at 07:42:08
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To CheckMate: in the line you cite, I've given 12...Bd3! (as played by Markov) with equality - this seems to neutralise the plan of f3 and e4 and reactivates the bishop. This is not, of course, a thrilling position, though not simply drawish either as your opponent obviously discovered. But I've also mentioned 9...Qc7 as an option to keep more tension, and in general I quite often find that in this 7...Nb6 line Black can sometimes choose between equalising simplifications or maintaining quite a compact formation and a tense game.

I agree that NIC Yearbooks, which now appear so frequently, are better placed to provide properly up-to-date material on fast-developing lines like 7...Qc7 intending 11...g5.

Inn2: I give 5 a4 Bf5 6 e3 e6 7 Bxc4 Bb4 8 0-0 0-0 and now generally lines with a provocative ...Bg4, e.g. 9 Nh4 Bg4 (but also the solid option 9...Nbd7), and 9 Qe2 Bg4 10 h3 Bh5. Something slightly different from the current orthodoxy, but again Sokolov-endorsed and in my opinion a very promising approach for Black.
  
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Re: Anyone writing Play the Slav?
Reply #20 - 01/25/08 at 02:16:46
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hi james, what is recommended against dutch slav 5. a4 Bf5 6. e3?

and i repeat: one can never have too many slav books  Cheesy
  
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Re: Anyone writing Play the Slav?
Reply #19 - 01/24/08 at 19:41:27
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So no 11 ... g5 in Vigus' book! That's a pity 'cause I would very like get my hands on an up to date. thorough, monograph on this interesting line. I suppose the NIC year books are the only written sources on the current market. 

Regarding 7 ... Nb6 I find this line a bit boring. Last time I played like this in an OTB classical time control game my opponent replied with the simple 8. e3. The game continued 8 ... e6 9. Qb3 Nxc4 10. Bxc4 Qb6!?   
(I was a little concerned about the White's pressure down the b file) 11. 0-0 Qxb3 12. Bxb3. I'm not sure of how to assess the position but White will soon achieve f3 and e4 consolidating his central superiority. Perhaps the position is equal but I just feel it's easier to play for White.
(I subsequently won the game however).
  
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Re: Anyone writing Play the Slav?
Reply #18 - 01/24/08 at 15:15:44
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Play the Slav is a 'pure' Slav repertoire, i.e there is nothing on the ...a6 Slav. I would enjoy writing about that too, but I suppose that's best left to Bologan for the time being...

In the main line, I have chosen the variation Ivan Sokolov has done so much to develop, 1 d4 d5 2 c4 c6 3 Nf3 Nf6 4 Nc3 dxc4 5 a4 Bf5 6 Ne5 Nbd7 7 Nxc4 Nb6 8 Ne5 a5. The Morozevich line (7...Qc7, followed by a ...g5 Bayonet a little further down the line) is holding up reasonably for Black as far as I know, but strikes me as too unstable to cover in a book which I hope might remain of use to the reader (and to myself!) for rather more than a year or so. I've enjoyed exploring the Sokolov line, which neither kills the game off (like Kramnik's bishop-shuffle against Topalov) nor launches it into fearsome complications (Morozevich). 

A couple of other highlights of the repertoire - 3 Nc3 dxc4 (Tracke, I hope this is welcome?)
and a fairly aggressive repertoire against the Exchange Variation, including 3 cxd5 cxd5 4 Nc3 Nf6 5 Bf4 Qb6 (already briefly discussed in John Watson's Mastering the Chess Openings Vol 2).

Since the book isn't quite finished I'd better not say too much more for now, but I hope that whets the appetite, and reassures that this is by no means a recipe for a quick and easy draw for Black...
  
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Re: Anyone writing Play the Slav?
Reply #17 - 01/04/08 at 20:07:51
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I am giving serious thought to picking up one or more of these Slav defences myself. You know, if you can't beat em, join 'em. 

In addition, it seems like I have to face these defenses so often, that I might as well study them from both sides.
  

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Re: Anyone writing Play the Slav?
Reply #16 - 01/04/08 at 14:16:27
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Yes, let's all exclusively play the exchange for a year or two, drawing most games, but winning some, and we'll hardly ever have to face the bloody thing again...
  
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