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Re: Dangerous Weapons: The Queens Gambit - ?
Reply #10 - 01/04/08 at 23:39:49
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drkodos wrote on 01/03/08 at 04:56:16:
ErictheRed wrote on 09/19/07 at 03:58:03:
I've personally always thought that the best reply to 3.Nc3 is 3...dxc4.  At least, I think it's a good way to play, and easier for Black than 3...e5.



Agreed, as from the White side I like to play 3. Nc3 and have found this line to be pesky, almost to the point of chasing me to Nf3.  But, and like JLo's its a big one, after finding the proper play (outlined above by Lee Roth) I think this move is inferior to other lines in the Slav complex.   



I don't quite follow you. What move is inferior? Are you refering to 1. d4 d5 2. c4 c6 3. Nc3 dc or to 1. d4 d5 2. c4 c6 3. Nf3 dc ?
  
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Re: Dangerous Weapons: The Queens Gambit - ?
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ErictheRed wrote on 09/19/07 at 03:58:03:
I've personally always thought that the best reply to 3.Nc3 is 3...dxc4.  At least, I think it's a good way to play, and easier for Black than 3...e5.



Agreed, as from the White side I like to play 3. Nc3 and have found this line to be pesky, almost to the point of chasing me to Nf3.  But, and like JLo's its a big one, after finding the proper play (outlined above by Lee Roth) I think this move is inferior to other lines in the Slav complex.  

I've got this book on order Smiley, am hoping it does have some interesting stuff along this pathway, but firmly (with no evidence) believe it's going to concentrate on systems where Black plays 2.e6 and may include "Traingle" suggestions.

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Re: Dangerous Weapons: The Queens Gambit - ?
Reply #8 - 01/02/08 at 23:45:37
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Any news on this book?
  
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Re: Dangerous Weapons: The Queens Gambit - ?
Reply #7 - 09/19/07 at 11:31:44
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Huh Just wonder if D.W.: The Queen's Gambit will cover some slav offshoots. 

Anybody out there know?
  
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Re: Dangerous Weapons: The Queens Gambit - ?
Reply #6 - 09/19/07 at 03:58:03
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I've personally always thought that the best reply to 3.Nc3 is 3...dxc4.  At least, I think it's a good way to play, and easier for Black than 3...e5.
  
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Re: Dangerous Weapons: The Queens Gambit - ?
Reply #5 - 09/17/07 at 22:47:45
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As 3.Nf3 rules out the Marshall Gambit anyway, you might contemplate this repertoire: 1.d4 d5 2.c4 c6
a) 3.Nc3 e5
b) 3.Nf3 e6 evt. 4.Nc3 dxc4.
  
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Re: Dangerous Weapons: The Queens Gambit - ?
Reply #4 - 09/17/07 at 18:12:34
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ghenghisclown wrote on 09/16/07 at 22:34:16:
A much better question, probably the most interesting one, is can Black transpose into a Noteboom (or something like it) if White isn't careful.

I suppose that would go  1.d4 d5 2.c4 c6 3.Nf3 dxc4 4.a4 e6 5.e3/e4 b5 6.axb5 cxb5 7.Nc3 Bb4

Am I missing some great move for White or some concept that  makes this a bad idea? 

It seems to me that if this works it's better than having to deal with the painful Marshall gambit in the regular move order (I agree with Vigorito, better to deal with the exchange Slav than that). This also seems to avoid the Catalan. What am I missing?




Very creative idea. But, as you suspect, there is nothing new under the sun these days. The idea of 3..dxc4 is known.  Play typically continues as you've outlined, but White blocks the check with the bishop, rather than the knight.  For example, 1.d4 d5 2.c4 c6 3.Nf3 dc4 4.e3 b5 5.a4 e6 6.axb5 cxb5 7.b3 Bb4+ 8.Bd2 Bxd2+ 9.Nbd2 a5 10.bxc4 b4 11.Ne5 which is thought to favor White.   

 
  
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Re: Dangerous Weapons: The Queens Gambit - ?
Reply #3 - 09/16/07 at 22:34:16
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A much better question, probably the most interesting one, is can Black transpose into a Noteboom (or something like it) if White isn't careful.

I suppose that would go  1.d4 d5 2.c4 c6 3.Nf3 dxc4 4.a4 e6 5.e3/e4 b5 6.axb5 cxb5 7.Nc3 Bb4

Am I missing some great move for White or some concept that  makes this a bad idea? 

It seems to me that if this works it's better than having to deal with the painful Marshall gambit in the regular move order (I agree with Vigorito, better to deal with the exchange Slav than that). This also seems to avoid the Catalan. What am I missing?

  
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Re: Dangerous Weapons: The Queens Gambit - ?
Reply #2 - 09/16/07 at 20:31:12
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I admit it is a while ago, but Dutch IM Mark van der Werf en Dutch FM Teun van der Vorm have written a book on the Noteboom/Abrahams/Triangle or whatever you call it. The book is from 1996, the publisher is Cadogan and it treats everything but not necessarily exhaustive after 1.d4 d5 2.c4 e6 and 3...c6.
  
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Reply #1 - 09/16/07 at 19:36:53
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And will this Triangle/Wedge thing everybody seems to know but on which no literature is available be treated ?
  
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Dangerous Weapons: The Queens Gambit - ?
09/15/07 at 23:41:09
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Does anybody know if the Queen's Gambit edition of the Dangerous Weapons series will include the Slav? I'm pretty sure there'll be lines in there without 2...e6, but I wonder if there'll be variations of the Slav since that seems to be the area with the right mix of solidity and tricky play.
  
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