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HgMan God Member Offline Demand me nothing: What you know, you know Posts: 2330 Location: Up on Cripple Creek Joined: 11/09/04 Gender:	Re: Dangerous Weapons: The Queens Gambit - ? Reply #40 - 02/04/08 at 03:11:19	Post Tools	Print Post
	Well like I said: I didn't mean to criticize. I suspect that any of the lines I half-mentioned have some surprise value that could make them fun and aggressive options in practice. I was simply suggesting that there are indeed ideas for Black after 1.d4 d5 2.c4. You said the same thing yourself a few messages ago, but now you've changed your tune...

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LeeRoth God Member Offline I love ChessPublishing.com! Posts: 1520 Joined: 10/22/05	Re: Dangerous Weapons: The Queens Gambit - ? Reply #39 - 02/04/08 at 01:50:39	Post Tools	Print Post
	HgMan wrote on 02/03/08 at 19:07:21: Oh I don't know. I rather thought a Bronstein (5...Bg4) or Smyslov (5...Na6) Slav might have yielded some nice lines. Not dangerous in the strictest sense, but the surprise value alone might have been worth something for Black. And maybe a line in the Ragozin or Cambridge Springs or some such. But I don't mean to complain; it's wrong to criticize without having actually seen the book yet... How about posting some moves? It's not really fair to criticize on the basis of a "maybe," a "might have" or a "some such."


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HgMan God Member Offline Demand me nothing: What you know, you know Posts: 2330 Location: Up on Cripple Creek Joined: 11/09/04 Gender:	Re: Dangerous Weapons: The Queens Gambit - ? Reply #38 - 02/03/08 at 19:07:21	Post Tools	Print Post
	Oh I don't know. I rather thought a Bronstein (5...Bg4) or Smyslov (5...Na6) Slav might have yielded some nice lines. Not dangerous in the strictest sense, but the surprise value alone might have been worth something for Black. And maybe a line in the Ragozin or Cambridge Springs or some such. But I don't mean to complain; it's wrong to criticize without having actually seen the book yet...

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LeeRoth God Member Offline I love ChessPublishing.com! Posts: 1520 Joined: 10/22/05	Re: Dangerous Weapons: The Queens Gambit - ? Reply #37 - 02/03/08 at 18:55:34	Post Tools	Print Post
	IMRichardPalliser wrote on 02/03/08 at 14:47:43: The Ubilava Gambit is certainly dangerous! I did toy with presenting a 3...Be7 repertoire for Black, especially as this move order is often neglected at club level, but unfortunately there was too much material! Likewise we wanted to cover 6 Qc2 Bd6 7 Bd2 followed by 0-0-0 in the Anti-Meran, which both Glenn and Chris have enjoyed success with, but several hundred games there... Chris somehow managed to find some complex lines against the Semi-Slav which were much less theoretical and should thus be more dangerous! There are more ideas for White and surely that's not such a surprise? Many QGD and Slav (proper with ...dxc4) players are happy to follow their solid lines, and there also aren't exactly dangerous weapons available for Black in things like the Lasker! Not sure there are many games in total with the Hodgson-Smallbone on Big/MegaBase, but I did manage to find some black wins not on those databases! All too true . . . unfortunately. It's hard to find a dangerous weapon for Black in any of the main lines of the QGD. There's a couple of neat ideas in some of the Tartakower lines, but I wouldn't consider these "weapons" and they have, in any event, been known since the 1960s or 70s. (Am thinking here mainly of Veresov's ..Nd7 in the Uhlmann line and Geller's offering the b6 pawn vs Psakhis)


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IMRichardPalliser Senior Member Offline Posts: 305 Location: York Joined: 03/23/04	Re: Dangerous Weapons: The Queens Gambit - ? Reply #36 - 02/03/08 at 14:47:43	Post Tools	Print Post
	The Ubilava Gambit is certainly dangerous! I did toy with presenting a 3...Be7 repertoire for Black, especially as this move order is often neglected at club level, but unfortunately there was too much material! Likewise we wanted to cover 6 Qc2 Bd6 7 Bd2 followed by 0-0-0 in the Anti-Meran, which both Glenn and Chris have enjoyed success with, but several hundred games there... Chris somehow managed to find some complex lines against the Semi-Slav which were much less theoretical and should thus be more dangerous! There are more ideas for White and surely that's not such a surprise? Many QGD and Slav (proper with ...dxc4) players are happy to follow their solid lines, and there also aren't exactly dangerous weapons available for Black in things like the Lasker! Not sure there are many games in total with the Hodgson-Smallbone on Big/MegaBase, but I did manage to find some black wins not on those databases!

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cma6 Full Member Offline I love ChessPublishing.com! Posts: 169 Location: US Joined: 07/17/04	Re: Dangerous Weapons: The Queens Gambit - ? Reply #35 - 02/01/08 at 14:30:09	Post Tools	Print Post
	HgMan wrote on 02/01/08 at 03:54:20: Scroll back a page; Tracke has provided a table of contents on page 2... Thanks, HgMan, greatly appreciated. CMA


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HgMan God Member Offline Demand me nothing: What you know, you know Posts: 2330 Location: Up on Cripple Creek Joined: 11/09/04 Gender:	Re: Dangerous Weapons: The Queens Gambit - ? Reply #34 - 02/01/08 at 03:54:20	Post Tools	Print Post
	Scroll back a page; Tracke has provided a table of contents on page 2...

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cma6 Full Member Offline I love ChessPublishing.com! Posts: 169 Location: US Joined: 07/17/04	: Dangerous Weapons: The Queens Gambit - ? Reply #33 - 02/01/08 at 01:26:26	Post Tools	Print Post
	HgMan wrote on 01/02/08 at 23:45:37: Any news on this book? I got a pre-sale email on the book today from Amazon. Has anyone seen a table of contents or a review? CMA


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ghenghisclown God Member Offline Pedicare Vestri Latin Posts: 1022 Location: HollyWeird Joined: 07/19/06 Gender:	Re: Dangerous Weapons: The Queens Gambit - ? Reply #32 - 01/29/08 at 04:43:01	Post Tools	Print Post
	Thanks for clearing that up!

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Re: Dangerous Weapons: The Queens Gambit - ?
Reply #31 - 01/27/08 at 15:19:23

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ghenghisclown wrote on 01/27/08 at 05:35:38:

Ubilava Gambit? Pray tell...

I was referring to the line: 1.d4 d5 2.c4 e6 3.Nc3 Be7 4.cxd5 exd5 5.Bf4 Nf6 6.e3 Bf5 7.Qb3 and now Black plays 7..Nc6 offering the b-pawn.

Play might continue: 8.Qxb7 Nb4 9.Bb5 Kf8 10.Kd2 Ne4+ with a complicated game ahead.

(ps - be careful following Jangjava in this line, as he is a bit optimistic for Black, at least IMHO.)

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MarinFan Senior Member Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 447 Location: Leeds Joined: 04/04/06 Gender:	Re: Dangerous Weapons: The Queens Gambit - ? Reply #30 - 01/27/08 at 13:05:40	Post Tools	Print Post
	At least LostHighway would have been pleased by chapter 10.


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ghenghisclown God Member Offline Pedicare Vestri Latin Posts: 1022 Location: HollyWeird Joined: 07/19/06 Gender:	Re: Dangerous Weapons: The Queens Gambit - ? Reply #29 - 01/27/08 at 05:35:38	Post Tools	Print Post
	Ubilava Gambit? Pray tell...

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LeeRoth God Member Offline I love ChessPublishing.com! Posts: 1520 Joined: 10/22/05	Re: Dangerous Weapons: The Queens Gambit - ? Reply #28 - 01/27/08 at 00:07:27	Post Tools	Print Post
	It does seem weighted to the White side. A shame really, as Black has some interesting lines in the QGD. Maybe there's not all that much new to talk about in these lines, but I was hoping for a good treatment of the Ubilava Gambit in the Exchange, the Hening-Schara in the Tarrasch or the Dutch-Peruvian Gambit.


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ghenghisclown God Member Offline Pedicare Vestri Latin Posts: 1022 Location: HollyWeird Joined: 07/19/06 Gender:	Re: Dangerous Weapons: The Queens Gambit - ? Reply #27 - 01/26/08 at 23:10:26	Post Tools	Print Post
	Thanx for clarifying what's in the book guys. Is it just me though, or is this book overwhelmingly for White? Now, hear I go again, but my database shows " The Hodgson-Smallbone variation" hasn't won for Black since 1982!! There's the lowest amount I've seen for Black from any D.W. book I've seen so far, is it that difficult? The only line I'm even remotely interested in for Black is the very first chapter, there's no anti-Catalan so playing the QGD instead of a Slav or QGA is just too risky - given the passive nature of Black's setups. The alternative is wading through all that theory. Does it make sense to play a non-theoritical line just to allow something like the Catalan? I don't think so. On the plus side, the book seems worth it for the White player -- tentatively.

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winawer77 Full Member Offline Posts: 249 Location: UK Joined: 03/31/07 Gender:	Re: Dangerous Weapons: The Queens Gambit - ? Reply #26 - 01/26/08 at 18:55:09	Post Tools	Print Post
	Yeah, its true that a separate book could have been done on just the Slav/Semi-Slav, but never mind. This would have been even better for me, as I'm just making the migration from Slav to QGD. I'm sick of the Slav setup, having played it for about 8 years!


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